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AhmadJoyia
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Bro DavidC, I thought Paul's conversion or as what he says "revelation" on the way to damascus is quite famous and popular event among Christians. Nevertheless, kindly see Acts 9:1-22 and then onward, all his actions are purported to be under the influence of "Holy Spirit". Is this not a direct form of divine communication, that the NT is asking people to believe in?
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DavidC
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Chapter and verse, Ahmad. I'm not sure what you are referring to.
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AhmadJoyia
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Hi bro DavidC, I am specifically refering to St. Paul's claim of apostleship through direct communication with divine Jesus in his vision and hence the vast majority of his writtings in NT. Is this not opposite to what you say ""We Christians have never held that the bible is as direct a communication as you Muslims hold the Qu'ran". I hope I have made myself clear! |
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DavidC
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Hi Ahmad!
I am not familiar with your citation, but here is an explanation from the Catholic Church which is more generalizable to all Christianity than my personal notions: True or False: The Bible is to be understood literally. False. Para. 110: "In order to discover the sacred authors' intention, the reader must take into account the conditions of their time and culture, the literary genres in use at that time, and the modes of feeling, speaking, and narrating then current. �For the fact is that truth is differently presented and expressed in the various types of historical writing, in prophetical and poetical texts, and in other forms of literary expression (DV 12�2)." Note that in reading the bible we Christians are to attempt to discover the author's intentions, hence differences in translations and exegesis. The Qu'ran does not demand this additional level of interpretation. |
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AhmadJoyia
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Excellant quote from Bible, my bro Jazz, this is really excellant. Now compare for yourself as what Jesus taught in his life time (one may recall his famous sermon of the Mount) and what St. Paul taught later on? You shall find the truth. Inshallah. |
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AhmadJoyia
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My dear bro DavidC, will all the due respect to your beliefs, what do you think about St. Paul's claim when you say "We Christians have never held that the bible is as direct a communication as you Muslims hold the Qu'ran" Didn't he claim a direct communication with divine Jesus as opposed to earthly Jesus?
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DavidC
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We Christians have never held that the bible is as direct a communication as
you Muslims hold the Qu'ran. Rather we believe that the multiple translations help expand the meaning and the number of people who can benefit from it. I believe the Prophet Muhummad held the Torah, Injeel and Psalms to be important spiritual works. These were collected into the Bible about 300 years before the birth of Muhummad. As Muhummad was not literate, this information must have come directly from Gabriel. Of course Muslims do not hold the bible as scripture, but rejecting the bible adds *nothing* to the Qu'ran. Why not treat it as Muhummad did - as a valuable document but not a perfect life guide as is your wonderful Qu'ran? |
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Jazz
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Hi Mohamed, * Edited by Mishmish |
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