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Shasta'sAunt 
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 Posted: 24 July 2008 at 12:13pm |
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Well, I didn't say 70% of the cabbies are Somalian, the newspaper article did. However, since this practice had been going on for years before 9-11 and there seemed to be no problem why make it an issue after 9-11? To me it appears to be a case of reverse discrimination.
My husband does have a business and he has refused service to people on a few occasions, people who came in drunk or acting aggressive. He will not allow alcohol or smoking on the premises. He has even had to call the police a few times to get people to leave and the police back him up 100%. It is his right to refuse to serve people.
But he has never refused service based on a person's race or religion. On the whole he doesn't even know their religion and doesn't care. There are laws to protect people from discrimination based on religion, race, etc. There are no laws to protect people's right to carry alcohol or to force another to provide service to that individual.
And I am curious as to how the cabbies know the person is carrying alcohol? If it is bagged up or packed away they would never know, so perhaps the people have been drinking or try to drink while in the cab. If that is the case, then almost any business in this country can refuse to serve someone who is drunk or is wanting to drink alcohol within the confines of their business. Try going into any store in a mall and opening a bottle of wine....
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Hayfa
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Posted: 24 July 2008 at 4:54am |
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But let's turn it around. If a cabbie refused to let you in his cab because you were Muslim, would that be "big deal"?
Yes because carrying alcohol is rather different then who you are as a person.
And actually it is not shirah law being implemented. You can buy alcohol in Pakistan if you are nonMuslim. It is a personal creed. And it is different if you don't like the music.. you arepaying for a service.. if you don't like it and they won't turn it down, refuse to buy their service.
They have the right to refuse to give service. They are not public employees.. its like places that are private that discriminate.. and it happens all the time.. you think it doesn't happen you are foolin yourself.
I am not why this is a big deal.. Shirah law would be if the state of Minnesota went by the marriage laws of Islam. This is not Shirah law being implemented in US. We all are allowed personal choices. Would I ever marry a drinker or smiler no. It is personal choice.
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Ron Webb
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Posted: 23 July 2008 at 6:55pm |
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Of course it matters. If I am in a taxi and don't like the music the driver is playing on the radio, I will ask him to change it, or turn it down, or whatever. Since I'm his only customer, I see no reason why he shouldn't accommodate me. In contrast, if I don't like the music in a restaurant I can ask them to change it, but I don't necessarily expect them to comply because they have to consider their other customers as well.
I'm surprised if that's how it works in your country, but in mine, refusing a fare based on skin colour could get a cabbie in a heap of trouble. Yeah, maybe it happens and it's hard to prove, but it's unquestionably against the law.
If, as Shasta'sAunt says, up to 70% of cab drivers are Somali and most of them are Muslim, then it could be a big deal indeed. You might have to try several cabs before you would get one who would take you.
But let's turn it around. If a cabbie refused to let you in his cab because you were Muslim, would that be "big deal"?
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Posted: 23 July 2008 at 3:22am |
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Uh oh.. thoaw Muslims are taking over Miineapolis!! Send out alerts..
and what is the big deal... get anoter taxi. I have the right to refuse to enter a specfic cab, they too should have the right to refuse someone from entering. They are not slaves. We have right to freedom of religion.
You ever hear of the Masters Golf Club? They don't have any femaile members. For a long time they had no black members. As a private entity they have that legal right to do so-whatever the motivation (yes women are a BIG danger to them).
Minuteman: ther eis no way for any church or masjid or temple to promise anything to anyone on behalf of other people... Some churches have very negative rhetoric and no one barrs them..
I know a woman who is Jewish who was hearing negative trhings al lthe time about Muslims, came to the masjid to learn. All types of negativity out there..
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Posted: 22 July 2008 at 10:00pm |
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Whether your business deals with individual clients or groups should not matter. Taxi drivers in this country frequently refuse to pick up fares based on the area of town they are in or skin color. If it becomes mandatory for taxi drivers to be unable to refuse fares due to alcohol then it should be so across the board. Apparently there was no problem before 9-11 with the cabbies refusing to drive the passengers. They would just send the passenger to the next taxi and send the driver that refused to the end of the line. After 9-11 it became an issue:
"MAC OKs Penalties For Cabbies Who Refuse Fares Minneapolis (AP) ―
Apr 16, 2007 7:23 pm US/Central
The operator of the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport on Monday approved tougher penalties for cabdrivers who refuse service to travelers carrying alcohol -- a policy that will affect hundreds of Muslim drivers.
On a unanimous voice vote, the Metropolitan Airports Commission agreed to rules that will suspend a driver's airport taxi license for 30 days the first time the driver refuses service and revoke the license for two years after the second violation. The new penalties take effect May 11. Commissioners hope the rules will end an issue simmering for the past several years. More than 70 percent of the cabbies at the airport are Somalis -- who are commonly Muslim -- and many of them claim that Islamic law prohibits them from giving rides to people carrying alcohol. Under the airport's old rules, a driver who refused to transport someone carrying alcohol would be told to go to the back of the taxicab line. Since January 2002, there have been more than 4,800 instances of a driver refusing service because a customer possessed, or was suspected of possessing, alcohol, airport officials said." (WCCO.com)
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Posted: 22 July 2008 at 7:54pm |
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You're not allowed to drink alcohol in public, including public stores, etc., but I'm not sure that a a grocery store or coffee shop would or legally could refuse admittance to someone carrying an unopened bottle of liquor. Perhaps a licenced restaurant would object because it would violate their liquor licence, but that's a different matter. (I remember once bringing a bottle of my home-made wine to a restaurant as a gift for a friend. It was in a fancy bag I think, so probably the staff didn't even know what it was; but I can't see them creating a fuss about it even if they had known.)
Stores and especially restaurants have the right to refuse admittance to people whose behaviour or appearance would be offensive to most other patrons, but a taxi only deals with one client (or group of clients) at a time so again that doesn't apply.
I don't know about other countries, but Christian fundamentalists in Canada sometimes run into legal troubles by refusing clients on religious grounds. I seem to remember that a Catholic-owned print shop was heavily fined for refusing to print some information on contraception or abortion. Even more controversially, now that same-sex marriage is legal, certain marriage commissioners had to forfeit their licence to perform marriages because they refused to marry homosexual couples. So yeah, it works both ways.
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Posted: 22 July 2008 at 4:03pm |
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If you own a grocery store or a coffee shop and someone comes in with alocohol you have the right to ask them to leave. Most retail stores, hospitals, clinics will not even allow you to carry in water much less alcohol.
Alcohol is often banned at public places and businesses, are you saying these cab drivers do not have that same right? If these men were not Muslims, if it were a group of recovering alcoholics or pregnant women, it would not even be an issue.
What about all of those: No shirt No shoes No service signs at businesses? Does anyone really have the right to deny business to someone who isn't wearing shoes? Or restaurants that won't serve you without a coat or tie?
So, what you are saying is if a Christian owns a business and someone wants to come inside that business and commit an act that is against the owner's beliefs or moral code then the owner would have no right to object or refuse service? Say if you have a Christian bookstore and someone comes in with alcohol, or two teenagers come in and start making out. Should that owner be allowed to refuse them service and ask them to leave?
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shasta's- here is one way "Many Muslim cab drivers in Minneapolis are refusing to allow passengers carrying alcohol in their cabs, saying it is against the Islamic Shariah [law] to do so. More than half the taxi drivers on the airport are Muslims, and as soon as they got a majority, they have resorted to imposing their beliefs on others." I also remember reading something about guide dogs and the blind having trouble getting rides in cabs with Nuslim drivers.
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