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    Posted: 06 July 2008 at 10:11am

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

Muslim Ghettoisation

We live in a shrunken world and millions of people are on the move; one of our biggest challenges is how we learn to live in proximity to difference – different skin colours, different beliefs and different way of life. According to a study by COMPAS, Muslims born and educated were given the impression of outsiders. The perception among Muslims is that they are unwelcome in Britain is undermining efforts to help them integrate into wider society. Most of them say that they have experienced race discrimination and religious prejudice. Muslims and Islam is promoted a fundamentalist and separatist by the western elite, which have negative impact on community and social cohesion. The number of racist incidents occurring in London Borough of Redbridge’s schools have reached their highest levels since record begin.

 

A City or a locality, where Muslims are in majority is a ghetto. There is a tendency for people of similar backgrounds to live together in neighourhoods. The term”ghettoisation” is inappropriate. The original ghettos in Europe during the middle ages were set up by law to confine the Jewish population to one area of a city. According to a research by an Australian academic that Muslim communities in Britain are being increasingly ghettoized in a trend that set back hopes of assimilation by years. Britain has now eight cities in the top 100 most ghettoized cities. The people from the Pakistani community in Bradford and Oldham and Leicester had trebled during the decade. A report by an academic Dr Alan Carling, that Bradford risks becoming a front line in the global clash between the West and Islam. But Islam and Muslims do not clash with the concepts of pluralism, secularism and globalisation. The native flight from Bradford’s inner-city wards showed clear evidence of an increase in segregation in the city since 1991. Native parents are avoiding sending their children in state schools where Muslims and other minorities are in majority.  The dominance of Pakistani Muslims in the city has meant that Bradford has become bi-cultural.  

 

Immigrants are the creators of Britain new wealth, otherwise, inner cities deprived areas could not get new lease of life. The native Brits regard such areas as ghettoes. Integration is not religious and cultural, it is economic and Muslims are well integrated into British society and at the same time they are proud of their Islamic, linguistic and cultural identities, inspite of discrimination they have been facing in all walks of life. According to UN, 80% of British Muslims feel discriminated. They are less burden on social services. Immigrants made up 8.7% of the population, but accounted for10.2% of all collected income tax

 

It is often quoted by the Western media that Muslim schools ghettoizse the children, and even lead to their radicalisation if they are not integrated. There is no evidence that faith schools lead to a “ghettoized education system. In British schools, pupils are encouraged to focus too much on their similarities rather than their differences. The integrationist approach merely results in Muslims feeling that their faith, language and culture is not respected.

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Quote aspacia Replybullet Posted: 15 July 2008 at 2:42pm
Often Muslim Imams perpetuate this by insisting that Muslims not assimilate.  Even CAIR has called for Muslims not to assimilate, else they be tainted.
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Quote semar Replybullet Posted: 15 July 2008 at 3:11pm
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Even CAIR has called for Muslims not to assimilate, else they be tainted.
 
Please provide a prove that CAIR called for Muslims not to assimilate. Please make suere the prove not come from "bias" media/source or unknown media/source.
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Quote Iftikhar Replybullet Posted: 15 July 2008 at 3:14pm
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London School of Islamics is an educational Trust. Its aim is to make
British public, institutions and media aware of the needs and demands of the
Muslim community in the field of education and possible solutions.

Slough Islamic school Trust Slough had a seminar on Muslim
education and schools in Thames Valley Atheltic Centre. The seminar was
addressed by the education spokesman of MCB. I could not attend the seminar
but I believe lot of Muslims from Slough and surrounding areas must have
attended. Very soon, the Muslims of Slough will have a state funded Muslim
school but there is a need for more schools. A day will come when all Muslim
children will attend state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim
teachers as role model.

Muslim schools are not only faith schools but they are more or less
bilingual schools.

Bilingual Muslim children need to learn standard English to follow the
National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve
humanity. They need to be well versed in Arabic to recite and understand the
Holy Quran. They need to be well versed in Urdu and other community
languages to keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of
their literature and poetry.

Bilingualism is an asset but the British schooling regards it as a
problem. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not
want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. Pakistan is only seven hours
from London and majority of British Muslims are from Pakistan.

More than third of British Muslim have no qualifications. British school
system has been failing large number of Muslims children for the last 60
years. Muslim scholars see the pursuit of knowledge as a duty, with the
Quran containing several verses to the rewards of learning. 33% of British
Muslims of working age have no qualifications and Muslims are also the least
likely to have degrees or equivalent qualifications. Most of estimated
500,000 Muslim school-aged pupils in England and Wales are educated in the
state system with non-Muslim monolingual teachers. Majority of them are
underachievers because they are at a wrong place at a wrong time.

Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual
Muslim teachers during their developmental periods. There is no place for a
non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. As far as higher education
is concerned, Muslim students can be educated with others. Let Muslim
community educate its own children so that they can develop their own
Islamic, cultural and linguistic identities and become usefull members of
the British society rather than becoming a buden.

We are living in an English speaking country and English is an
international language, therefore, we want our children to learn and be well
versed in standard English and at the same time well versed in Arabic, Urdu
and other community languages. Is there anything wrong with this approach?

It is not only the Muslim community who would like to send their children to
Muslim school. Sikh and Hindu communities have started setting up their
schools. Last week. British Black Community has planned the first all black
school with Black teachers in Birmingham.

Scotland's first state funded Muslim school could get the go-ahead within
months after First Munister Alex Salmond declared he was sympathetic towards
the needs and demands of the Muslim community.

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Quote aspacia Replybullet Posted: 15 July 2008 at 3:56pm
It is from a VERY BIASED MEDIA SOURCE, who won a legal case against CAIR.

Take a look a anti-Cair, and the comments made by CAIR, its officials, and U.S. liberal politicians (i.e. Durban, et al.)

Yes, many media sources are very biased; regardless, they often support their claims with solid evidence.  Faith and Freedom often misquotes, omits, or just totally distorts information. 

However, anti-Cair is very careful not to post any evidence, but valid facts, else Whitehead will be sued again.

Also, Al-Ahram, is very biased, especially Khalid Amarah (sp), however, he does support  his claims with facts, just as other "journalists" on this site do, but with numerous omissions and distortions.

Our job is to be intelligent enough to sift through the garbage for the kernels of fact.

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Quote aspacia Replybullet Posted: 15 July 2008 at 4:10pm
Iftikhar,

According to your logic, Saudi Arabia should accommodate Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Pagan, Shinto, et. al also. 

What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

When you immigrate to another land, try not to expect this new land to accommodate its guest; the guest accommodates its host, accepts its rules, or politely leaves: (admin: link was removed)





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Quote Whisper Replybullet Posted: 19 July 2008 at 9:38pm
Often Muslim Imams perpetuate this by insisting that Muslims not assimilate. 
Really? How many Muslim Imams have you observed?
It would have been a wee matured or just simply a bit wiser to say that it's something cultural. "Ethnocentricism" is quite a known phenomenon. It takes place all over the world. It's not merely some Muslim Centric-Imam-Induced disorder like everythng else wrong in our world seems to have become.
It's not that just the Indians and Pakistanis stick close to their own lot in the United Kingdom despite all the kindness shown by their host. The Brits living in Spain do exactly the same. Our pobre Amrekanos can't fire at those pobre starved Iraqis unless they have their own ghetto, complete with a McDonalds in their base camp!
It's all a part of our primitive herd feeling.
We are barking at the Imams because we just need to bark at something.
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Quote Salams_wife Replybullet Posted: 19 July 2008 at 10:16pm
Originally posted by aspacia

Iftikhar,

According to your logic, Saudi Arabia should accommodate Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Pagan, Shinto, et. al also. 

What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

When you immigrate to another land, try not to expect this new land to accommodate its guest; the guest accommodates its host, accepts its rules, or politely leaves: (admin: link was removed)



 
For one thing, why would Saudi accomodate people of other faiths that only come to work in Saudi.  Those people are not citizens.  In fact, very few people in Saudi are not muslims so there isn't enough to accomodate in the first place.
 
I have also seen how Americans in other countries often live as close to a lifestyle as possible in other countries with other cultures.  The Brittish are the same in this regard as well.  What you are saying is muslims must assimilate, but Christians and other western people do not have to when they go somewhere different.  What is wrong with someone wanting to practice their faith and culture so long as they are productive members of the society where they live?
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