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honeto
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Robin,
Adam did what some of us do often, do something that is not to be done, a sin or to disobey God, because something wrong attracted us. That does not mean we don't submitt to God.
Submitting to God means to acknowledge and believe that there is One God, the Creator, who has a set of rules for us revealed, so we follow them, when we fail to follow any one of them, we fall into sin or disobidience to God, we acknowledge our mistake, turn to our Maker for forgiveness and Mercy.
We are told that, once we realize we made a mistake and sinned, and we repent, God will turn to us in Mercy, as He is The Merciful God. God will forgive us for our mistakes and reward each one of us for our good deeds.
You say Adam did not submitt to God. That is wrong assumption because, not submitting to God means to refuse God as your Cereator and to refuse to live by His commands.
Adam, submitted to the will of God, fall in error and sinned, later he realized his mistake and repented and according to the Final Testament was forgiven by God, the Merciful.
The Quran:2:37 "Thereupon adam received words [of guidance] from his Sustainer, and He accepted his repentance: for, verily, He alone is the-Acceptor of Repentance, the Dispenser of Grace."
Hasan Edited by honeto - 30 June 2008 at 10:59am |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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minuteman
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Robin's post of 27 June, was a reply to my earlier post, all shown below:
1. Is trinity the truth?
NO!
Thanks Robin for going against Trinity.
2. Is Jesus or the holy spirit a god? What about holy spirit, god or not?
IN HEAVEN JESUS IS A LESSER GOD.
HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD'S POWER.
That is not a clear reply to my question. It means that Jesus is a lesser god. That means you do not believe in Trinity but you believe in Duality (two gods). Also, you have not cleared the matter about holy ghost.
Holy ghost is God's power. But is it a god or not? Please tell.
3. Did Jesus die on the cross?
NO, ON A "STAKE" (UPRIGHT POLE).
That is another problem. Now we are entangled between a cross and a stake. What types of beliefs are these of the JW's. It means that Jesus died on the stake. So the JW's do not talk about any cross. Jesus was not on a cross. He was on a stake. Do you Robin believe that?/ please tell so that we can forget about the cross from now onward.
4. Did Jesus come back to life after death (called resurrection)?
YES.
That means he died at the stake and he got up or lived again after dying. So the JW's believe in the resurrection. Thanks for the info. A lesser god had died and then came back to life after two days,,,
5. Do the JW's believe in the original sin?
YES, IT WAS DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD.
That means the JW's believe that Jesus died for the sins of others. They believe in the atonement. Thanks again for such info.
6. Did Jesus die and take away the sins of people (Atonement)?
YES, BY HIS BLOOD,
That is understood by your above reply too. No comments.
7. Is it necessary to be baptised nowadays?
YES
Very good. Are the JW's baptising nowadays? Very good idea.
8. Did Jesus meet any of his arch enemies after getting up (rising)?
EXPLAINE PLEASE
You believe that Jesus became alive after being dead for two days. He came out of the tomb alive and walked away. After walking away, did he meet any of his arch enemies who had ordered his execution by crucifixion? Did he appear before any of the soldiers or Kiafa (his big enemy)? Now that you have understood my question, please explain the problem to me.
9. Did he go bodily to heavens or only his soul went up?
HUMANS DO NOT HAVE SOULS THEY ARE SOULS
SOUL CAN MEAN LIFE.
JESUS WAS RAISED A SPIRIT BEING.
You had understood my question. Please answer. Jesus had a body and a soul. I would like to know whether Jesus went up to heavens in his body or only his soul went up. Do not give a new lecture about human do not have souls.
10. When will he come back and what he wil do?
HE RETURNED IN 1914 AS THE KING OF GOD'S HEAVENLY KINGDOM WHICH WILL SOON TAKE CONTROL OF THIS EARTH AND DESTROY SATAN'S SYSTEM OF THINGS
Do you mean to say that jesus has returned to earth in 1914? Then where is he now please? I am only interested in knowing where is Jesus now?
In the end I thank you for taking the trouble to give answers to my ten questions as shown above in blue. I am learning something about the Jehova's Witnesses. Thanks. Edited by minuteman - 30 June 2008 at 11:30pm |
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robin
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2ND REPLY 1. Is trinity the truth? NO! Thanks Robin for going against Trinity. THE TRINITY IS BASED ON PAGAN GREEK PHILOSOPHY WHICH IN TRUN DRAWS A LOT OF IT IDEAS FROM ANCIENT PAGAN EGYPTIAN THEOLOGY, THUS ANYONE WHO BELEIVES IT IS PRATCICING PAGANISM! 2. Is Jesus or the holy spirit a god? What about holy spirit, god or not? IN HEAVEN JESUS IS A LESSER GOD. HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD'S POWER. That is not a clear reply to my question. It means that Jesus is a lesser god. That means you do not believe in Trinity but you believe in Duality (two gods). Also, you have not cleared the matter about holy ghost. Holy ghost is God's power. But is it a god or not? Please tell. JESUS IS A TOTAL SEPRATE PERSON FROM GOD ALMIGHTY WITH HIS OWN WILL! HE IS LIKE GOD BECAUSE GOD TELLS HIM WHAT TO DO AND HOW TO DO IT AND HE DOES IT! HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT GOD IT IS AN IMPERSONAL POWER FROM GOD. 3. Did Jesus die on the cross? NO, ON A "STAKE" (UPRIGHT POLE). That is another problem. Now we are entangled between a cross and a stake. What types of beliefs are these of the JW's. It means that Jesus died on the stake. So the JW's do not talk about any cross. Jesus was not on a cross. He was on a stake. Do you Robin believe that?/ please tell so that we can forget about the cross from now onward. THE CROSS IS ANOTHER PAGAN IDEA ABSORBED INTO CHRISTIANITY. JESUS DIES THE JEWISH WAY, ON A STAKE. 4. Did Jesus come back to life after death (called resurrection)? YES. That means he died at the stake and he got up or lived again after dying. So the JW's believe in the resurrection. Thanks for the info. A lesser god had died and then came back to life after two days,,, WHEN HE WAS ON EARTH HE WAS TOTAL HUMAN. WHEN HE WENT BACK INTO HEAVEN HE WAS GIVEN HIS SPIRIT FORM BACK, THUS GOD LIKE1 5. Do the JW's believe in the original sin? YES, IT WAS DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD. That means the JW's believe that Jesus died for the sins of others. They believe in the atonement. Thanks again for such info. 6. Did Jesus die and take away the sins of people (Atonement)? YES, BY HIS BLOOD, That is understood by your above reply too. No comments. 7. Is it necessary to be baptised nowadays? YES Very good. Are the JW's baptising nowadays? Very good idea. 8. Did Jesus meet any of his arch enemies after getting up (rising)? EXPLAINE PLEASE You believe that Jesus became alive after being dead for two days. He came out of the tomb alive and walked away. After walking away, did he meet any of his arch enemies who had ordered his execution by crucifixion? Did he appear before any of the soldiers or Kiafa (his big enemy)? Now that you have understood my question, please explain the problem to me. BEFORE HE WENT BACK TO HEAVEN HE ONLY APPERED TO HIS FOLLOWERS ON EARTH 9. Did he go bodily to heavens or only his soul went up? HUMANS DO NOT HAVE SOULS THEY ARE SOULS SOUL CAN MEAN LIFE. JESUS WAS RAISED A SPIRIT BEING. You had understood my question. Please answer. Jesus had a body and a soul. I would like to know whether Jesus went up to heavens in his body or only his soul went up. Do not give a new lecture about human do not have souls. FLEASH CANNOT GO INTO HEAVEN, SO NO, JESUS WAS RAISED UP IN SPIRIT FROM AND MATERALISED BODIES SO HIE FOLLOWER COULD SEE HIM THEM DEMATERALISED THEM. 10. When will he come back and what he wil do? HE RETURNED IN 1914 AS THE KING OF GOD'S HEAVENLY KINGDOM WHICH WILL SOON TAKE CONTROL OF THIS EARTH AND DESTROY SATAN'S SYSTEM OF THINGS Do you mean to say that jesus has returned to earth in 1914? Then where is he now please? I am only interested in knowing where is Jesus now? NO! HE WAS GIVEN HIS KINGSHIP IN 1914 IN HEAVEN. JESUS IS NOW THE KING OF GOD�S KINGDOM IN HEAVEN AND WILL NEVER COME BACK TO THIS EARTH AGAIN! Edited by robin - 02 July 2008 at 2:10pm |
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minuteman
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Robin, thanks for giving more replies. I hope to understand your point of view. But I will be wondering where went the body that Jesus had. The body could not go up to heavens. So it must have remained on earth.
Also, how did you calculate the year 1914 that Jesus got the kingship? More questions later. But you may answer the few that I have just asked. Thank you.
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Angel
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Are humans like god?
NO, ON A "STAKE" (UPRIGHT POLE). That is another problem. Now we are entangled between a cross and a stake. What types of beliefs are these of the JW's. It means that Jesus died on the stake. So the JW's do not talk about any cross. Jesus was not on a cross. He was on a stake. Do you Robin believe that?/ please tell so that we can forget about the cross from now onward. THE CROSS IS ANOTHER PAGAN IDEA ABSORBED INTO CHRISTIANITY. JESUS DIES THE JEWISH WAY, ON A STAKE. Actually it is not pagan nor asborbed into christianity, it was the way romans did captial punishment, by cruifying. Hence the image of Jesus on the cross.
YES. That means he died at the stake and he got up or lived again after dying. So the JW's believe in the resurrection. Thanks for the info. A lesser god had died and then came back to life after two days,,, WHEN HE WAS ON EARTH HE WAS TOTAL HUMAN. WHEN HE WENT BACK INTO HEAVEN HE WAS GIVEN HIS SPIRIT FORM BACK, THUS GOD LIKE1 Are humans god like to.
So, no second coming ?? Edited by Angel - 03 July 2008 at 9:20am |
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Israfil
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Robin:
The warning God gave Adam was his help to Adam, as you say Adam had free will, which he abused in that he ignored God and paid the price!
Adam's disobedience to God is not abuse of his freewill but quite the opposite. Obedience especially when we have options to either be obedient or not is a choice. Some would say, paradoxically, that to not exercise such (Freewill) would be to consciously abuse it! Although this may be contradictory in its own complexity (since to not act would also be a choice in itself thus exercising freewill) Adam didn't abuse his freedom (even though some of you moralist may be inclined to say otherwise) but exercised his freewill yet, made a poor "choice." Just wanted to clarify that point.
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robin
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Genesis 2:17
But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die."
Human free will is limited with in the bounds set by God, go out of bounds and it is an abuse that leads to death as it is doing the will of Satan The Devil, thus Adam died! |
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