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martha wrote: Salams BRother Fais,  I am tired and have had a long day but I reply this once out of courtesy. Akhe has pointed out that this topic is in the brothers forum, so I shall not reply again in this topic. BUt before I log off I want to say that muslims and hindus were fighting each other long before the British went to India. Also both religious groups wanted a separation and my understanding is that this was why India became split to India and Pakistan. It was not forced on them.   The indians that came to the UK came because they wanted  to, and I have heard many older asian people say that India was better under British rule. I cannot comment on that. I know that British soldiers did some very bad things in India, but so did muslims and hindus and they are of same race! And you cannot blame the way muslims and hindus act today is becuase of the fault of the British! We left long time ago. So why are people not peaceful with eachother now in India and Pakistan? Please do not say that it is because of Afghanistan and Kashmir...people can still be kind to their neighbour. It is like I say to any asian muslim brother..'I hate you because my Pak husband was bad'. WOuld I be right to do that? No of course not, so I do not.   So those asians that fought in the 2nd world war WANTED to, it was not about money, they already had come here and were working. Those that were in the British army mnay years before did it for the money, just like the Pak boys and men today join and fight alongside the taliban because they are paid for it and they can provide for their family better.   The British and the Nazi's were not the same at all. OK, 2hundred years ago Britain ruled a large part of the world. BUt when people insisted we give the countries back then we did. Hitler would not have done that at all.  And the 2nd world war was not to do with colonies. It was mainly faught in Europe and then spread other parts. We opted for the war when HItler invaded Poland.   I find it incredulous that asians can still blame Britian today for what happened so long ago. Also please remember that the British public and government give SO much money to both Pak and India today when they still have so many problems. We have no interest in either of these countries, certainly the general British public do not, so why do they give so generously? You obviously do not know the true feeling of British people and rely upon stories of old to forge your views.   The fact is many asians still choose to come here for economic reasons. SO they hate us so much they are trying to punish us now? THey have no other reason to come here if they dont like us.   It is so wrong to blame the existing BRitains for the faults of their forefathers.   Lol, I think I have said enough. DO not be offended by my words Fais:) I will refrain from replying to this topic again as its brothers section.  See you in another topic   (sorry admin that I have replied here)

Edited by nu001 - 07 November 2009 at 12:19am

I didn't sister :)

Edited by nu001 - 11 November 2009 at 10:50pm

Lol, Brother Martha here:)
Salams all,
When people stop ranting and raving then I will reply nicely. Brother Fais you know me well enough by now.

I have never justified colonialism..let me make that quite clear.

The Brits got 200years as you say. Bear in mind that they did not have modern technology etc etc. Travel took months, sometimes years. So the length of time is rather immaterial. I believe trade was as necessary to the BRits as it was to India back then. I think stuff got way out of hand..the Brits do answer for that in todays world, but I am not convinced they went to these places full of hatred but rather to help. Like I say, it got out of hand and opinions clouded.

Ok. Who controls the world right now? Who holds the purse strings? The US, right? The British now are as much in the palm of the US government as the rest of the world. You say we have a choice. Do we? We are under dogs, we owe trillions to the US. OF course we have to do as we are told. Am I complaining? Not at all. In a hundred years time the US will get the blame for current atrocities. History has this terrible knack of repeating itself.

Now to WW2.
When Germany was defeated in the Great War,the European Powers created The Treaty of Versailles. THis was signed in 1919 by them and Germany. This was to try to prevent another GReat War(1914-18).It also imposed harsh restrictions on defeated Germany one of which meant Germany lost control of Belgium, Poland and Czechoslovakia.
When Hitler came to power he broke that agreement by marching into Poland on Sept 1st 1939. Britain and France were obliged to stand by the Treaty of Versailles and defend Poland and so declared war on Germany on 3rd Sept 1939. So the Brits were not under threat from Hitler at the start of the war.

It might be a good idea to investigate the cause for WW1 as this undoubtedly had lasting affects. The assassination of Franz Ferdinand on 28th June 1914 is seen to be the main reason. The secret serbian organisation The Black Hand were guilty of that event.

Guys, please see my post in the "General" section about Fort Hood. So you guys can know more about me if you want.