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Angel
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water fuel powered car, wouldn't go down well in my country we are on water restrictions.
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rami
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assalamu alikum thanks for posting this brother, the way they reported it you'd think it was everyday the big petroleum companies went out of business. Angel the car runs on sea water, you can even go have picnic and drink some tea with the car -------------------- Official WebsiteHow it WorksThe main feature of the new system is that it uses the company's
membrane electrode assembly (MEA), which contains a material capable of
breaking down water into hydrogen and oxygen through a chemical
reaction. With the new process, the cell needs only water and air,
eliminating the need for a hydrogen reformer and high-pressure hydrogen
tank. Moreover, the MEA requires no special catalysts, and the required
amount of rare metals such as platinum is almost the same as that of
existing systems. It is expected to have a longer life because catalyst
degradation (poisoning) caused by CO does not occur on the fuel
electrode side. 120W fuel cell systemThe voltage of the fuel cell stack is 25-30V. Because the stack is
composed of 40 cells connected in series, it is expected that the
output per cell is 3W or higher, the voltage is about 0.5-0.7V, and the
current is about 6-7A. The power density is likely to be not less than
30mW/cm2 because the reaction area of the cell is 10 x 10 cm. 300W fuel cell systemThe 300W fuel cell system is an active system, which supplies water
and air with a pump. In a demonstration, Genepax powered a TV and the
lighting equipment with a lead-acid battery charged by using the
system. In addition, the 300W system was mounted in the luggage
coppartment of a compact electric vehicle "Reva" manufactured by
Takeoka Mini Car Products Co Ltd, and the vehicle was actually driven
by the system. CostsThe production cost is presently about �2,000,000 (US$18,522), it
estimated that it can be reduced to �500,000 ($5000) or lower if the
company succeeds in mass production. http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Genepax_Co_Ltd I thought this was interesting, wiki:Richard P. George, Ph.D. wrote: Even if this works (I'm somewhat skeptical short of more proof), the product is not economic at either their current manufacturing cost ($18,522 for 300 Wp or $61.74 per Wp) or their target rate ($5,000 for 300 Wp or $16.67 per Wp). The use of water for fuel is just a curiosity because the cost is greater than that of traditional fuel cells AND their fuel costs. I would also want to know about their stack life. Stack life is a huge problem for all fuel cells - many of which have lives measured in hours (typically 6 months to 4 years of continuous operation. For this product to achieve grid parity, it would need a 20 year stack life at 9.5 cents per KWH grid prices or 10 years at 19 cents per KWH. Genepax response: "The stack life is not yet in data but we imagine our stack would last as long as other fuel cell stack. We have data of other fuel cell in public and it lasts 40,000 hours." Best regards, Jun Onishi-------------------- Thats about 4.5 years so esentially you would need to change parts in the feul cell or the whole cell depending on design every 4.5 years give or take. If they can bring down the price to $5000 U.S for the fuel cell that would still be cheaper than petrol, assuming you spend $100 a week on petrol thats $5200 a year on fuel....and it does rain water. ------------------- Genepax. June 15, 2008 We are preparing an English presentation and demonstration for foreign press which will be held in Tokyo soon.
Anyone live in Japan
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Angel
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that's sounds funny.
sea water, i guess that's ok then, our country is surrounded by it maybe it would lower the rising water levels
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I haven't been able to figure out the exact mechanism that is being claimed here, but to be honest I haven't bothered to waste a lot of time trying to figure it out either. There is a basic flaw to this idea: the amount of energy obtainable by combining hydrogen with oxygen is precisely equal to the amount required to separate it. It simply can't work. Edited by Ron Webb - 18 June 2008 at 7:59pm |
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Hi Ron, i only have basic knowledge of chemistry and understand the laws of thermodynamics on a basic level i.e energy in equals energy out but why does the energy required to separate hydrogen from oxygen [being the same amount required to join them] related to how much energy hydrogen provides as a fuel. To me this seems like two separate issues. Edited by rami - 18 June 2008 at 9:44pm |
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I like the idea, we have plenty of sea water to use, plus the glaciers are melting so it might stop us from flooding :D lol joke. But I watched a program about a similar invention to this, again it was a car powered by water but just not as advance. The guy said, the reason why so they are not in mass production yet is because the water erodes the metal pretty quick. So the life span of these cars, or at least the Motors (wherever the water goes) is much less then a fuel powered car. Edited by imp87 - 19 June 2008 at 4:56am |
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I was thinking of eroding before didn't say anything because it was muddled up in thoughts of salt
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