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Nazarene
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the trinity explaind by jesus
Lection LXVI Iesus Again Teacheth His Disciples 1. AGAIN Jesus taught them saying, God hath raised up witnesses to the truth in every nation and every age, that all might know the will of the Eternal and do it, and after that, enter into the kingdom, to be rulers and workers with the Eternal, 2. God is Power, Love and Wisdom, and these three are One. God is Truth, Goodness and Beauty, and these three are One. 3. God is Justice, Knowledge and Purity, and these three are One. God is Splendour, Compassion and Holiness, and these three are One. 4. And these four Trinities are One in the hidden Deity, the Perfect, the Infinite, the Onely. 5. Likewise in every man who is perfected, there are three persons, that of the son, that of the spouse. and that of the father, and these three are one. 6. So in every woman who is Perfected are there three persons, that of the daughter, that of the bride, and that of the mother and these three are one; and the man and the woman are one, even as God is One 7. Thus it is with God the Father-Mother, in Whom is neither male nor female and in Whom is both, and each is threefold, and all are One in the hidden Unity. 8. Marvel not at this, for as it is above so it is below, and as it is below so it is above, and that which is on earth is so, because it is so in Heaven. 9. Again I say unto you, I and My Bride are one, even as Maria Magdalena, whom I have chosen and sanctified unto Myself as a type, is one with Me; I and My Church are One. And the Church is the elect of humanity for the salvation of all. 10. The Church of the first born is the Maria of God. Thus saith the Eternal, She is My Mother and she hath ever conceived Me, and brought Me forth as Her Son in every age and clime. She is My Bride, ever one in Holy Union with Me her Spouse. She is My Daughter, for she hath ever issued and proceeded from Me her Father, rejoicing in Me. 11. And these two Trinities are One in the Eternal, and are strewn forth in each man and woman who are made perfect, ever being born of God, and rejoicing in light, ever being lifted up and made one with God, ever conceiving and bringing forth God for the salvation of the many. 12. This is the Mystery of the Trinity in Humanity, and moreover in every individual child of man must be accomplished the mystery of God, ever witnessing to the light, suffering for the truth, ascending into Heaven, and sending forth the Spirit of Truth And this is the path of salvation, for the kingdom of God is within. 13. And one said unto him, Master, when shall the kingdom come? And he answered and said, When that which is without shall be as that which is within, and that which is within shall be as that which is without, and, the male with the female, neither male nor female, but the two in One. They who have ears to hear let them hear there's so much to tell,so much to talk about.
all my love ,leland Edited by Nazarene - 11 September 2008 at 6:44pm |
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love for all conquers all
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PattyaMainer
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Yes, you are correct in stating that God can create anything...absolutely. That being said, He can also choose to make each separate entity of the Triune Godhead separate,yet still equal....that is exactly what He did. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are three in one, and each is equal to the other. God's Peace, PattyaMainer |
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robin
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What The Bible says as to God being ONE not three:- Deuteronomy 6:4-5
"Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah. 5 And you must love Jehovah your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your vital force.
Mark 12:29
Jesus answered: "The first is, �Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah,
1 Corinthians 8:6
there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him.
Ephesians 4:4-6
One body there is, and one spirit, even as YOU were called in the one hope to which YOU were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father . . .
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minuteman
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robin, you are quoting complicated sentenses, verses. Why don't you tell us if Jesus is God or not? Be short and smart, in plain words please.
If you do not support Trinity (as I think you do not) then Jesus is not a God. Welcome now !
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robin
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It matters not what I say, but what the Bible says!!
The above say God is "one" not two or three!
�My God� said Jesus. To whom was Jesus calling to at:- �About the ninth hour Jesus called out with a loud voice, saying: "E�li, E�li, la�ma sa�bach�tha�ni?" that is, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"� Which is literally rendered "this is the God of me, God of me."-'The NASB-NIV parallel N.T. in Gk. & Eng.' with Interlinear Translated by Alfred Marshall* Who is Jesus referring to at:- John 20:17 �Jesus said to her: �Stop clinging to me. For I have not yet ascended to the Father. But be on your way to my brothers and say to them, �I am ascending to my Father (Literal Gk. �Father of me�^) and YOUR Father and to my God (Literal Gk. �God of me�^) and YOUR God.�� ^'The NASB-NIV parallel N.T. in Gk. & Eng.' with Interlinear Translated by Alfred Marshall �my poss[essive]. pron[oun]. (attrib.) 1 of or belonging to me. 2 affectionate, patronizing, etc. form of address (my dear boy). 3 in expressions of surprise (my God!; oh my!). 4 colloq. indicating a close relative etc. of the speaker (my Johnny's ill again). my Lady (or Lord) form of address to certain titled persons. [from *mine1] .�- �god n[oun]. 1 a (in many religions) superhuman being or spirit worshipped as having power over nature, human fortunes, etc. b image, idol, etc., symbolizing a god. 2 (God) (in Christian and other monotheistic religions) creator and ruler of the universe. 3 adored or greatly admired person. � .�- Jesus must have been calling to the Almighty (the Father, his God, see John 20:17, �my God�, (Lit. Gk. "God of me" 'The NASB-NIV parallel N.T. in Gk. & Eng.' with Interliner Translated by Alfred Marshall) quoting from Ps 22:1 where King David was, showing that God is somone other than himself. No, Jesus cannot be Almighty God if he plainly says in the above texts that he himself has a God!
We can also add to the above, the following words, where Jesus is speaking from an exulted heavenly postion:-
Revelation 3:12-13 "�The one that conquers�I* will make him a pillar in the temple of my God**, and he will by no means go out [from it] anymore, and I* will write upon him the name*** of my God** and the name of the city of my God**, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God**, and that new name of mine. Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregations.�� **Which in litrealy rendered "the God of me."-'The NASB-NIV parallel N.T. in Gk. & Eng.' With Interliner Translated by Alfred Marshall So we can ask again, who is Jesus talking about, as it cannot be himself" He is talking about Almighty God, thus Jesus cannot be Almighty God! Edited by robin - 10 September 2008 at 1:19pm |
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PattyaMainer
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As it has been stated repeatedly here, Robin, the Trinity is the "Triune Godhead", which means three separate entities but all are one which form the trinity. You choose NOT to believe this. It takes faith, which you do not seem to possess.
However, I would like to hear your response as to how Jehovah Witnesses feel about Black people. How your "chuch" teaches the Black race will become white, how being black is their punishment for the sins of Ham, how your "church" does not have high ranking Blacks within your religion partly because they do not believe Blacks are intelligent enough, etc.
Please.....now is your chance to explain this prejudice within the Jehovah Witness cult. (I won't even begin to go into the hate mongering you have for the likes of me, a devout Roman Catholic...let's just get your response on your "church's" feelings and beliefs about the good Black folks for now).
Thanks for your response.
Patty Edited by PattyaMainer - 10 September 2008 at 4:48pm |
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honeto
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Patty,
if we assume for a second that you are right about the three being equal, the following Bible quotes will prove us wrong, as Jesus, one of the three of the Triune Godhead according to your belief, is declaring otherwise:
John 14:28......for the Father is greater than I.
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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minuteman
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robin, you have again a long winding lecture about Jesus is God or not. In the end you have said:
So we can ask again, who is Jesus talking about, as it cannot be himself" He is talking about Almighty God, thus Jesus cannot be Almighty God! Do we understand that Jesus is not God or Jesus is not Almighty God. What is the opinion (short reply) of the YW's (Ya Huwa's witnesses). As you know, there is only one God. We cannot have an Almighty God and a less mighty God.
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