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Bukhari: vol. 6, hadith 514, p. 482; book 61

Narrated Umar bin Al-Khattab:

I heard Hisham bin Hakim reciting Surat Al-Furqan during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle and I listen to his recitation and noticed that he recited in several different ways which Allah's Apostle had not taught me. I was about to jump over him during his prayer, but I controlled my temper and when he had completed his prayer, I put his upper garment around his neck and seized him by it and said, "Who taught you this Surat which I heard you reciting ?" He replied, "Allah's Apostle taught it to me". I said, "You have told a lie, for Allah's Apostle taught it to me in a different way from yours". So I dragged him to Allah's Apostle and said, "I heard this person reciting Surat Al-Furqan in a way which you haven't taught me!". On that Allah's Apostle said, "Release him (Umar) recite, O Hisham!" Then he recited in the same way I heard him reciting. Then Allah's Apostle said, "It was revealed in this way", and added, "Recite, O Umar", I recited it as he had taught me. Allah's Apostle then said, "It was revealed in this way. This Qur'an has been revealed to be recited in seven different ways, so recite of it whichever is easier for you."

Bukhuri: vol. 4, hadith 682, book 56

Narrated Ibn Mas'ud:

I heard a person reciting a (Quranic) Verse in a certain way, and I had heard the Prophet reciting the same Verse in a different way. So I took him to the Prophet and informed him of that but I noticed the sign of disapproval on his face, and then he said, "Both of you are correct, so don't differ, for the nations before you differed, so they were destroyed."

 

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Truth-No, read history books about the Quran.  Start a thread about the contradictions and we can discuss them
 
In what way do you feel this is incorrect?  "The New Testament Book contains many mistakes such as the confirmation that the generation of disciples would not pass away until the Kingdom of God comes (Mathew 16:27); Mathew 24:30-35; Mark 9:1). "
 
There is no valid proof, just Mohammad's word.
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Muslim believe in Propeht Jesus (pbuh) and in the Original Gospel revealed to him. Muslims also believe that the true followers of Prophet Jesus were righteous people and are praised in the Quran in many verse. However those followers are not prophets and did not have the authority to change the religion of Prophet Jesus(pbuh) or replace his Gospel with what their own hands wrote.

The book of the New Testament have many contradictions. If the Holy Spirit was inspiring the writers of these books, then the books should be consistent! If what the people see in dreams represents the actual Will of Allah, then all people are Prophets because all people dream. If people coild prophesy, make laws and change the Law of Allah according to their dreams and according to the alleged inspiration of the Holy Spirit, then why did Allah send His Prophet Jesus (pbuh) and reveal His Gospel to him?

The New Testament Book contains many mistakes such as the confirmation that the generation of disciples would not pass away until the Kingdom of God comes (Mathew 16:27); Mathew 24:30-35; Mark 9:1). This incorrect prophecy proves that the Holy Spirit did not inspire the writers.

In Islam, dreams and personal insight are not considered sources of legislation. The concept of revelation in Islam is different; the revelation which represents the Will of Allah is what Allah revealed in the Quran and what He revealed to His Messenger Muhammad (pbuh). Islamic law is based on the Quran and on the Sunnah of the Propeht (pbuh) who was guided by the inspiration of Allah. No one has the right to changed it all even the scholars or to even make a law not ordained by Allah. The function of scholars is to inform what Allah and His prophet said, to explain the Law of Allah and guide people to the right path of Allaah following in the footsteps of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin. Quran33:59
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Lol where on earth did you read that Khalifah Othman bin Affan has burnt variation Qurans? Through gossip and hearsay?

You know why bible of today is not the authentic Word of Allah?? Because it is not the compilation of Original Torah and Gospel..It is now contain the words of historians. You read the bible with open mind and heart..it is full of fallacy�

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LOL!!  The "banned books" were not burned or destroyed [the way Uthmann burned variations of the Quran] by the church leaders.  All are available for people to read.  Go to any public library to get a copy.
 
 


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Are you saying that the Quran confirmed the wrong Torah and Gospel?
 
The Bible is the collection of the Torah and Gospel into one Holy Book.
 
You said -"Quran narrated the lie being done to those two books revealed to Prophets Moses and Prophet Jesus (pbut)".- I know the verse about the crucifixion, not sure the verse about the Torah.  The truth of the crucifixion is in the very Gospel that the Quran confirms.
 
If you read and studied the Bible with an open heart you would learn the truth of the message.  Simply a footnote by another-  See the part I made bold, was it Joshua?
 

Deuteronomy 34

The Death of Moses
 1 Then Moses climbed Mount Nebo from the plains of Moab to the top of Pisgah, across from Jericho. There the LORD showed him the whole land�from Gilead to Dan, 2 all of Naphtali, the territory of Ephraim and Manasseh, all the land of Judah as far as the western sea,  3 the Negev and the whole region from the Valley of Jericho, the City of Palms, as far as Zoar. 4 Then the LORD said to him, "This is the land I promised on oath to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob when I said, 'I will give it to your descendants.' I have let you see it with your eyes, but you will not cross over into it."

 5 And Moses the servant of the LORD died there in Moab, as the LORD had said. 6 He buried him in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is. 7 Moses was a hundred and twenty years old when he died, yet his eyes were not weak nor his strength gone. 8 The Israelites grieved for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days, until the time of weeping and mourning was over.

 9 Now Joshua son of Nun was filled with the spirit of wisdom because Moses had laid his hands on him. So the Israelites listened to him and did what the LORD had commanded Moses.

 10 Since then, no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face, 11 who did all those miraculous signs and wonders the LORD sent him to do in Egypt�to Pharaoh and to all his officials and to his whole land. 12 For no one has ever shown the mighty power or performed the awesome deeds that Moses did in the sight of all Israel.

Not sure of some of your points - The Quran wasn't written by Mohammad!!
 
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Truth Light -   There are many that say the Quran has just as many mistakes and contradictions.  Why would the Quran lie about the Torah and Gospel being intact and Allah keeping the Scriptures true?

 

 

Believer, you really love to entertain hearsay and gossip. Try to do research and know it by yourself. You may find the truth with the Help from the True Rubb of all that exists. Read the Quran and look for the contradictions and show it here. The Quran didn�t lie about the Torah and the Gospel but in fact the Quran narrated the lie being done to those two books revealed to Prophets Moses and Prophet Jesus (pbut).

The original Torah and Gospel are the literal Word of Allah revealed to His Prophets Moses and Jesus (peut), whereas the book of Bible is merely narratives or stories in the third person. The sayings and deeds of the Prophets were written by historians and not the Prophets themselves. For an example is the book of Deuteronomy is one of the book attributed to Prophet Moses (pubh). If this book was written by the Prophet (Moses pbuh) or even written by him, how could it mention his death?

�And Moses the servant of the Lord died there in Moab, as the Lord had. He buried him in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Pear, but to this day no-one knows where his grave is. Moses was a hundred and twenty years old when he died..�(Deuteronomy 35:5-7)

The gospel revealed to Prophet Jesus(pbuh) was lost and many gospels were written. The church chooses four gospels (Mathew, Mark, Luke and John) and destroyed and banned the rest. Although these gospels include some fragments of the original Gospel, it is very clear that none of them is the gospel of Prophet Jasus (pbuh) because all the four gospels contains many contradictions and errors while the Gospel of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) which is the Word of Allah was free from contradictions and errors. These gospels are different accounts or reports of the life of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) written by men. They mentioned his birth, his alleged crucifixion and death, etc., which cannot be mentioned in the gospel revealed to Prophet Jesus (pbuh) during his mission. Same thing happen with that of prophet Moses.

There are so many contradictions that can be found in the Bible itself and one among others is your own �tag� �

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

 

Jesus never claimed to be the son of god instead he repeatedly called himself the son of man (e.g. 9:22) innumerable times.

Is Jesus God or son of God or even did he crucified?

John 20:17, Jesus told Mary Magdalene to tell his followers: "I ascend unto my Father and your Father; and to my God and your God.

And Jesus denied that he is neither God nor even the son of god but he claimed to be the Messenger of Allah, the one that He sent to mankind:

Mathew 7:21 none of those call me Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of God but the one who does the will of the father who send me."



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Israfil - If it said Allah allows the increase then it would be free will.  Don't you believe it is the translation that is poor?

Yes, they are poles apart- why"  Both are the Word of GOD, Holy Scripture.   Following in the steps of Jesus is a true way of live - unconditional love, peace, serving fellow humans and God.
 
Truth Light -   There are many that say the Quran has just as many mistakes and contradictions.  Why would the Quran lie about the Torah and Gospel being intact and Allah keeping the Scriptures true?
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