Why would Allah do this?

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   If we had all the different writings then we would know why the ones that Uthmann burned were not included.  A comparative study could be done.  This could have proved to those what the correct reading should be.

It might answer the question of all the foreigh words in the purely arabic Quran.

To many it appears similar to a cover up by Uthmann.  

The bones, stone and wood that the original Quran were written on could have been saved,  these would have lasted unlke the early paper.  I would think that a message from Allah written on such would would have been treasured.

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believer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 08 January 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1397	Post Options Post Reply Quote believer Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Why would Allah do this? Posted: 07 May 2008 at 5:32am
	If we had all the different writings then we would know why the ones that Uthmann burned were not included. A comparative study could be done. This could have proved to those what the correct reading should be. It might answer the question of all the foreigh words in the purely arabic Quran. To many it appears similar to a cover up by Uthmann. The bones, stone and wood that the original Quran were written on could have been saved, these would have lasted unlke the early paper. I would think that a message from Allah written on such would would have been treasured.
	John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

seekshidayath Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Female Islam Joined: 26 March 2006 Location: India Status: Offline Points: 3357	Post Options Post Reply Quote seekshidayath Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 May 2008 at 4:52am
	Your question is again similar , infact the most common question asked by christian missionaries. No probs. Here is the answer. You are asking of authenticity ? When was it considered Unauthentic ? We need to know how the Holy Quran was compiled. Kindly read this thread. http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9242&PN=2 To add it further, the differences were in accent. During Uthman RA, the incorrect accent were removed.
	Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."

believer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 08 January 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1397	Post Options Post Reply Quote believer Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 May 2008 at 3:34pm
	How did Uthmann know which were ariginal?
	John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

believer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 08 January 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1397	Post Options Post Reply Quote believer Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 April 2008 at 4:25am
	Truthlight - move these couple of posts to the interfaith discussion so we can discuss it there. I have had a number of posted moved because I was in the wrong section- This is not following the original thread.
	John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Truth_light24 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 13 January 2008 Location: Philippines Status: Offline Points: 270	Post Options Post Reply Quote Truth_light24 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 April 2008 at 7:36pm
	Read the following verses CAREFULLY, CRITICALLY AND WITHOUT ANY PRECONCEPTIONS. The One True God The Old Testament: a. Deutronomy 6;4 �Hear, O Israel:The Lord our God is one Lord.� b. Isaiah 43:10-11 �You may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after Me. I, I am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.� The New Testament: a. Matthew 19:16-17 �One came and said unto him, Good master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have entered life? And he (Jesus) said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God.� b. Timothy 2:5 �For there is one God and there is one mediator between God and men, the man is Jesus Christ.� Can you recall other verses confirming that God is only One and not three? The Quran said: a. Quran 112:1-4 �say: He is Allah, the One; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begets not, nor is He begotten; and there is none like unto Him.� b. Quran 21:25 �There is no God but I; so worship Me.� c. Quran 5:73 �They disbelieve who say: Allah (God) is one of three, for there is no God except One God. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily, a grevious chastisement will befall the disbeliever among them.� So, according to this affirmation, all other supposed gods or deities like Jesus, the Holy Spirit, Brahman, Vishnu, Shiva, Khrishna or Buddha are neither gods nor manifestations of the ONE TRUE GOD. It was because of this false notion that after the Jews worshipped other gods, �The Lord�s anger burned against them.� (25:3). Likewise, Moses destroyed the golden calf. All God�s Prophets including Adam, Noah down to Jesus and Muhammad were sent by Allah, the Creator of everything to convey the same one message: �The true God is only One. Worship HIM ALONE and keep His commandments.� Since those prophets preached the same message, their religion must be the same one! Submission to the will of God is the essence of the message of those Prophets. This word �SUBMISSION� means �ISLAM� in Arabic.
	And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin. Quran33:59

Truth_light24 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 13 January 2008 Location: Philippines Status: Offline Points: 270	Post Options Post Reply Quote Truth_light24 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 April 2008 at 7:30pm
	Contradictions in the Bible: The Christianity believes that they have God the Father (The Creator), God the Son (the Savior) and God the Holy Spirit (the Counselor). So based on common sense and simple logic, how can you say that God is one in three form? Is God One in three? Or three God in One? By the way, if Jesus is God the Son (Son of God) is really God or part of the God, doesn�t this contradict what the bible itself reports that no one can see God, nor hear His voice? The Bible states that: John 5:37 �You have never heard His voice nor seen His face.� Timothy 6:16 �No one has ever seen Him. And no one can see Him.� Exodus 33:20 �No one can see Me that stay alive.� How can we reconcile the dogma that Jesus is God and the Biblical testimony that no one has ever seen God nor hears His voice?? Didn�t the Jews at his time, his family and his followers SEE Jesus (God the Son, as some believe) and HEAR his voice? How can you reconcile what was testified by God in the Bible? Isaiah 45:19 � I am the Lord, and there is no other God. I have not spoken in secret or kept my purpose hidden�.I am the Lord and I speak the truth; I make known what is right.�
	And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin. Quran33:59

Truth_light24 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 13 January 2008 Location: Philippines Status: Offline Points: 270	Post Options Post Reply Quote Truth_light24 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 April 2008 at 7:28pm
	This is precisely the answer to your question, believer: Narrated Anas bin Malik: Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham (Syria) and the people of Iraq were waging war to conquer Armenia and Azherbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their differences in the recitation of the Quran, so he said to Uthman, 'O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) as Jews and Christians did before'. So Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, 'Send us the manuscripts of the Quran so that we may compile the Quranic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you'. Hafsa sent it to Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin Az-Zubair, Said bin Al-As and Abdur Rahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, 'In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Quran, then write it in their (Quraishi) tongue'. They did so, and when they had written many copies, Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied and ordered that all the other Quranic materials whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt..." (29) Your question about why Othman bin Affan burnt those various Quran is because those being burnt are not authentic and some discrepancies were located and it was just written by some people without authority thus making their own version and differ from those who knows it by heart. Othman bin Affan allow the compilation of the Quran in one language and that is the Qurays, the one which is known today, for uniformity and besides it is the language of the Prophet. The authentic book of Quran were compiled and checked by many of those knowledgeable men and memorizes it by heart during the time of the prophet. If the Quran is not the authentic word of Allah then it must have contradictions, just like what the bible has it now----CONTRADICTIONS!
	And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin. Quran33:59

believer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 08 January 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1397	Post Options Post Reply Quote believer Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 April 2008 at 6:10am
	Narrated Anas bin Malik: Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham (Syria) and the people of Iraq were waging war to conquer Armenia and Azherbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their differences in the recitation of the Quran, so he said to Uthman, 'O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) as Jews and Christians did before'. So Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, 'Send us the manuscripts of the Quran so that we may compile the Quranic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you'. Hafsa sent it to Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin Az-Zubair, Said bin Al-As and Abdur Rahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, 'In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Quran, then write it in their (Quraishi) tongue'. They did so, and when they had written many copies, Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied and ordered that all the other Quranic materials whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt..." (29)
	John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.