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Originally posted by Sign*Reader Sign*Reader wrote:

Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

Yes i see that thnk you.

What is your understanding of Scripture?  Book?
 
 

It is not a false statement; OT & NT found bound together is being pointed out by Allah that Paul abrogated the LAW and Jews don't accept the Messiahship of Jesus! With all that it doesn't make sense to keep them in one cover unless  everyone  doing his own interpretations!
 
 Yes, it is interesting to note that bible NT and OT are bound together in one book without any reason. That is specially bad since the Jews rejected Jesus completely to the point of killing him. So the Jews reject the NT.
 
 The Christians (Due to Saul) reject the the Mosaic Law. So what use is the OT to the christians? When they do not follow the Law of Moses ( That law being a curse to the christians by the teachings of Saul), then why the two books are bound together? The Jews definitely do not need such a book.
 
 The christians, if their teaching was perfect, should also not need anything extra to what Jesus gave them. Why they are occupied with something that did not belong to Jesus? The OT does not belong to Jesus. And the writings of Saul also do not belong to Jesus. If all these extra writings are taken away from the church people (Bible NT)  then they will have very little left of their real book. Even that will also not be real. There will be four books (gospels in parallel)  all describing the life time of Jesus. So the four books will be equal to ( + or - ) one book only. That would be very little.
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We follow the 10 Commandments, but Jesus tells us to follow them as mentioned in the Gospel. 
 
The Old testament is the history of the Jewish people.  Through Jesus we are grafted onto the vine of the Jews.
 
The Old Testament is an honest portrayal of man and show us why we need Jesus.  It is also included to prove that the prophecies have been fulfilled by Jesus.
 
 
John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

We follow the 10 Commandments, but Jesus tells us to follow them as mentioned in the Gospel. 
 
The Old testament is the history of the Jewish people.  Through Jesus we are grafted onto the vine of the Jews.
 
The Old Testament is an honest portrayal of man and show us why we need Jesus.  It is also included to prove that the prophecies have been fulfilled by Jesus.
 
 
 
beleiver,
so can you show me where in the Old testament did it say that God will come to the earth in the form of a man.
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Originally posted by minuteman minuteman wrote:

The christians, if their teaching was perfect, should also not need anything extra to what Jesus gave them. Why they are occupied with something that did not belong to Jesus?

Muslims accept many of the characters in the Old Testament as prophets, do they not?  And aside from the occasional mention of their names in the Quran, how do Muslims know about these prophets except through the Old Testament?  So aren't Muslims also "occupied" with the Old Testament in exactly the same way as Christians?
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  At least we do not say that law given to Moses was a curse. We say that was a good law for the children of Israel. i.e. for Jesus and his friends. Jesus Never rejected that law. But it is not practiced by the christians. Their theory is that law was a curse.
 
 Since that law is written in the bible OT, The christians should get away from it. But they carry the OT with  them as part of their faith. They consider it as a  sacred book and  at the same time think that was a curse.
 
 We Muslims do not have the bible OT or NT tied up with our Quran.


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Originally posted by Doo-bop Doo-bop wrote:

Originally posted by Sign*Reader Sign*Reader wrote:

Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

Yes i see that thnk you.

What is your understanding of Scripture?  Book?
 
 

It is not a false statement; OT & NT found bound together is being pointed out by Allah that Paul abrogated the LAW and Jews don't accept the Messiahship of Jesus! With all that it doesn't make sense to keep them in one cover unless  everyone  doing his own interpretations!
 
Paul did not abrogate the law, Christ fulfilled the law, bringing the age of Mosaic law to completion.  The law of Moses was for the Jews, but the Gospel is for everyone to obey

You seem to act like resident adjudicator when you don't know what you are talking about; you would think think others are living under some rock!
Nice try! Read it loud who are you foolin my man?

Galatians 3:10-14
10All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."
11Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."
12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them."[
13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."
 14He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
Where is fulfilled mentioned?
What do you mean by fulfilled anywaus?
What an easy way to make a link with Abraham! Who must be turning in his grave!

As the saying goes  "Want to have a  cake and eat it too!"

Law was for the Jews and the (Gospel) lawlessness for the rest-gentilesLOL
Why are they still selling and buying Kosher stuff also at premium prices?

No wonder now the Jews control the fate of the gentiles worldwide!
The heads of the super powers are in Israeli back pockets!
I recommend that you do your homework first before post time!Wink


Edited by Sign*Reader - 17 April 2008 at 1:19pm
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Matthew 15
1Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2"Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!"

 3Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.' 5But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,' 6he is not to 'honor his father' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
 8" 'These people honor me with their lips,
      but their hearts are far from me.
 9They worship me in vain;
      their teachings are but rules taught by men.'"

 10Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. 11What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' "

Matthew 19
 Jesus replied, " 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, 19honor your father and mother,' and 'love your neighbor as yourself.'"
 
Jesus as sinless being came to magnify, or fill completely full, the meaning of God's law.
 
You missed the point- 12The law is not based on faith;
 
"Falling short of the law leads to death. At this we diverge from all other religions on earth. Do you realize that according to just these two scriptures not only are we cursed, but so are all religions that depend upon living up to the law? Because they depend on obeying the law for salvation � whether God�s law or any other law � they are cursed."
John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:

Originally posted by minuteman minuteman wrote:

The christians, if their teaching was perfect, should also not need anything extra to what Jesus gave them. Why they are occupied with something that did not belong to Jesus?

Muslims accept many of the characters in the Old Testament as prophets, do they not?  And aside from the occasional mention of their names in the Quran, how do Muslims know about these prophets except through the Old Testament?  So aren't Muslims also "occupied" with the Old Testament in exactly the same way as Christians?
 
Hi Ron,
let me explain and correct your purception of Mulsim's accepting what you refered to as " many of the characters in the Old Testament as prophets".
Muslims only accept the account of previous prophets mentioned in the Quran. We do not consult or use any information stored in the O/T for refrance or otherwise.
The Quran provides us with authentic unaltered information on the prophets of the old, revealed by God. 
If you see us quote here anything from the O/T or the N/T is only when we are engaged into a discussion with those who beleive in it to be true.
Muslims do not beleive in O/T or N/T to be from God anymore, as we beleive them to have be altered by man, thus no more the word of God.
Thus Muslims do not have the O/T like the Christians do as you suggested.
Hasan
 
The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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