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Quote believer Replybullet Topic: Seems like a false statement. Please explain.
    Posted: 13 April 2008 at 2:16pm

Does Allah know?  Yes both follow Old Testament , but Jews do not follow the New Testament Scriptures like the Christians.

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YUSUFALI: The Jews say: "The Christians have naught (to stand) upon; and the Christians say: "The Jews have naught (To stand) upon." Yet they (Profess to) study the (same) Book. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but Allah will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment.
PICKTHAL: And the Jews say the Christians follow nothing (true), and the Christians say the Jews follow nothing (true); yet both are readers of the Scripture. Even thus speak those who know not. Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection concerning that wherein they differ.
SHAKIR: And the Jews say: The Christians do not follow anything (good) and the Christians say: The Jews do not follow anything (good) while they recite the (same) Book. Even thus say those who have no knowledge, like to what they say; so Allah shall judge between them on the day of resurrection in what they differ.
 
John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Quote Ron Webb Replybullet Posted: 13 April 2008 at 3:17pm
Why is it a false statement?   Both religions study the same book, that book being the Old Testament.  The fact that Christians also study another book (the new Testament) does not make the first statement untrue.
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Quote believer Replybullet Posted: 14 April 2008 at 5:12pm
The Old and New Testament is combined in our Book.  The sentence combines both Jewish and Christian Holy Scripture into the same Book.
 
If it had said that the Jews and Christians study the same Torah it would be correct.


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Quote Nausheen Replybullet Posted: 15 April 2008 at 1:54am
Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir Rajeem,
Bismillah ir Rahman ir Rahim,
 
I dont find any word equivalent to *same* in the arabic text. If you notice two of the three translations have put this word in parenthesis - which denotes their** understanding of the word Al-Kitaab - literally The Book. It means the scriptures in the context of this verse.  Allahu alam.
Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena
wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.
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Quote believer Replybullet Posted: 15 April 2008 at 8:21pm

Yes i see that thnk you.

What is your understanding of Scripture?  Book?
 
 


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John 3
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Quote Nausheen Replybullet Posted: 15 April 2008 at 10:26pm
Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir Rajeem,
Bismillah ir Rahman ir Rahim,
 
When Quran talks about "the-book" it means revelation. Be it a former revelation or the Quran itself, depending on the context.  The jews and christians were also given revelations ... or scriptures or the-book.
 
 
and Allah knows best.


Edited by Nausheen - 15 April 2008 at 10:34pm
Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena
wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.
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Quote Sign*Reader Replybullet Posted: 15 April 2008 at 11:33pm
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Yes i see that thnk you.

What is your understanding of Scripture?  Book?
 
 

It is not a false statement; OT & NT found bound together is being pointed out by Allah that Paul abrogated the LAW and Jews don't accept the Messiahship of Jesus! With all that it doesn't make sense to keep them in one cover unless  everyone  doing his own interpretations!
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Quote Doo-bop Replybullet Posted: 16 April 2008 at 12:52pm
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Originally posted by believer

Yes i see that thnk you.

What is your understanding of Scripture?  Book?
 
 

It is not a false statement; OT & NT found bound together is being pointed out by Allah that Paul abrogated the LAW and Jews don't accept the Messiahship of Jesus! With all that it doesn't make sense to keep them in one cover unless  everyone  doing his own interpretations!
 
Paul did not abrogate the law, Christ fulfilled the law, bringing the age of Mosaic law to completion.  The law of Moses was for the Jews, but the Gospel is for everyone to obey


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