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Shasta'sAunt
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Allah has raised some Messengers and Prophets above others, however His instructions are clear to us:
2:136 Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) Prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)."
Why Allah has raised some above others we do not know, but we are clearly told to make no distinction between them. If I were to hazard a guess it would be because man had previously bestowed divinity upon the Prophet Jesus and we were not to make this same mistake again.
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Servetus
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Well (succinctly) put. Thank you. I better understand the position. Serv |
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believer
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LOL!! minuteman - yes our ministers study the language of the Bible so they can translate it and understand it for themselves.
You said - "You please consider our arguments about Jesus being a God because Jesus never spent one whole day telling any one that he was God. Why?"
Jesus was sent to earth for a specific mission. If He had been recognized as GOD He would not have completed what He was meant to do.
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John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
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Shasta'sAunt
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"Jesus was sent to earth for a specific mission. If He had been recognized as GOD He would not have completed what He was meant to do."
So he was incognito? Are you seriously saying that God deigned to come to earth as a mere man and sacrifice Himself as salvation for all of mankind, but He had to keep it secret?
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minuteman
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After reading your post, I was going to reply in a certain way. I prepared myself. But then read the post of Shasta'sAunt and found that my reply was exactly same ( on the same lines) as Shasta'sAunt had replied. I repeat that here now: (And your question was really good. It could puzzle any one)
Allah has given preference to some messengers over the other messengers, as mentioned in the verse provided. It is definite that Allah had preferred some messengers over others. But Allah has forbidden us to differentiate between the messengers, such that we believe in some of them and not to believe in some others, or to lower the status of any one messenger of Allah. It is forbidden to us. We believe that they were all truthful and same category, that is mortal human beings.
The rest is the same as Shasta'sAunt has pointed out. There was no need for me to write after you had understood and appreciated the reply from Shasta'sAunt.
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believer
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Shasta and minute, this has always been my thought - if He showed Himself as GOD who in their right mind would crucify Him? Thank you for pointing out that Jesus would never commit Kitman or Taqiyya.
Jesus was recognized as GOD by His Disciples. The other Jews believed He was calling Himself GOD.
John 10
25Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. 30I and the Father are one." 31Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, 32but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" 33"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." Edited by believer - 16 April 2008 at 3:25pm |
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John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
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honeto
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beleiver,
I am sure they go thorugh a lot of learning a lot of training on how to.........
but that does not answer my quote. Did you read the quotes I quoted from the Jewish Bible and the same verse from the Christian version of the Bible.
I want your answer to that.
As far as your orginal question, I think its already answered.
Hasan
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Shasta'sAunt
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But Jesus did not say he was God, nor did he claim to be God.
As I pointed out in an earlier thread, the Jews accused him of blasphemy and instead of admitting he was God, he deferred to God, the Father. You have posted verses in which this is exactly what he does. The Jews were saying he was claiming to be God, Jesus did not claim thus. The Jews were also looking for a reason to get rid of Jesus because he was causing trouble, and this was one of the excuses they were using.
If they were already saying that he claimed to be God, if he had in fact admitted he was God come to earth to sacrifice himself for man's salvation, how could that have changed his mission in anyway. They would not have believed him and he actually would have been crucified much sooner. Instead he side-stepped the direct answer, which you claim was "Yes. I am God" and said the he in fact had no power, it was all from God. Nor at this time did he explain that he was part of the Triune of God, equal partner to, but said that he did the Father's bidding.
I believe I also asked in an earlier thread that if Jesus were asked right out, to his face if he was God, and he did not answer yes, isn't that a lie. It was definitely deceptive.
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