Two types of unity?

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   Jehovah Witness believe that Jesus is GOD's Son.   Two separate beings.

Unitarians believe that Jesus is GOD, one being.  

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believer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 08 January 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1397	Post Options Post Reply Quote believer Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 May 2008 at 5:05pm
	Jehovah Witness believe that Jesus is GOD's Son. Two separate beings. Unitarians believe that Jesus is GOD, one being.
	John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Farooqui Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 29 September 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 24	Post Options Post Reply Quote Farooqui Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 May 2008 at 9:21am
	I just wondered in general where do the Unitarians and Jehovah's Witnesses (and Christadelphians) fit in to the worldwide church. They too reject the notion of Jesus (pbuh) being the son of God. How do they reconcile the idea of one God who never apears in triplicate?

mariyah Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 29 March 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1283	Post Options Post Reply Quote mariyah Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 May 2008 at 8:42am
	Believer, I find you less convincing each time you post. You start an arguement about "unity" and then start attacking so and so for burning different versions of the quran? Please stay on the subject I feel you may not be here to argue in a constructive manner but simply to condemn. Your lack of education outside your Christian indoctrination is is in question. As for us Muslims, we are for the most part encouraged to "think outside the box" and study our subjects before arguing them. You may be taught to follow one line, that of blind faith with threats if you do not walk inside the lines. the truine philosophy originated in the Egyptian and some of the hindi religions and is not based on the teachings of Abraham (may he have peace). Abraham believed in the one and only divine true God, know as Allah in Arabic, Elah in Aramaic, and there are variations such as elohim, which is nearly synonymous with the Rabb in Arabic. If you peruse some of the earlier copies of the hebrew scriptures that were found in the dead sea and other earlier scrolls, you will see that they are different than what your emperor Constantine passed down to you in your "christian scriptures," Hear O Israel, the Lord your God is one God" out of the Mouth of Jesus himself as quoted in your christian scriptures when he did his first reading at the Jewish temple as quoted in the gospel, or Injeel. What is your answer to that and the true first commandment as written in Exodus 20, the second book of the torah? Can you give me some EVIDENCE besides just your OPINION? Edited by mariyah - 02 May 2008 at 8:17am
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Farooqui Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 29 September 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 24	Post Options Post Reply Quote Farooqui Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 May 2008 at 5:09am
	Believer - Oh dear, ("any day" except I wish you well for the most important day). Why would God be lying when it is (only) 4 human witnesses that rely on a fallible human chain to pass and preserve it, (impossible without the guidelines and mechanism to support it over the millenia). Please do explain. To correct you H. Uthman never destroyed a single word or syllable of God's words (as a believeing muslim he would have known the magnitude of such a sin and in any case would have the people replace him instantly for he was accountable to them), but he laid down a standardised order of the verses - we still know the chronological order. I'm afraid this is one pot you can't stir

believer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 08 January 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1397	Post Options Post Reply Quote believer Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 April 2008 at 5:17pm
	LOL!! I'll set my foundation on the Bible anyday. I know you will not understand this but I will give it a try. The crucifixion is not a parable- story. GOD would be lying if, in the 4 accounts of eyewitnesses to the true event, He allowed only His words to tell what happened. GOD chose real people to eyewitness this account. Now if Uthmann had his way with the Bible he would have burned all but one of the accounts!!! Uthmann did a great disservice to Islam, Allah, the Quran when he burned the varying Qurans. Edited by believer - 30 April 2008 at 5:18pm
	John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Farooqui Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 29 September 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 24	Post Options Post Reply Quote Farooqui Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 April 2008 at 10:43am
	Peace to you believer, You're putting up a spirited defence but your foundations for argument are shaky. When you speak of God giving of Himself "..He was willing to give of Himself for our salvation". If you meant Jesus (pbuh) was willing to give of himself, I agree he was, just as all pious messengers of his station were, it was why they were chosen. Yes, you're correct, God does love us and has proclaimed this many times in both our books: "...and persevere in doing good: behold, God loves the doers of good." 2:195 and He also proclaims who He doesn't love: "but do not commit aggression- for, verily, God does not love the aggressors." 2:190.... ..."...and God does not love corruption." 2:205 ..or on misguided love: "And yet there are people who choose to believe in beings that allegedly rival God, loving them as [only] God should be loved: whereas those who have attained to faith love God more than all else. If they who are bent on evildoing could but see - as see they will when they are made to suffer [on Resurrection Day] - that all might belongs to God alone, and that God is severe in [meting out] punishment!" 2:165. History does repeat itself and man keeps making the same mistakes. The Children of Israel listened to the corrupt amongst them who led them towards love (and worship) of the golden calf. Those who repented received God's forgiveness and mercy. The Christians are reaping the seeds of previous leaders (in Rome), whose corruption is acknowledged by western commentators. The golden calf of the people of Moses (pbuh) is now the golden calf of the followers of Jesus (pbuh) in the form of the trinity conundrum. This is why many thinking men of the church's clergy today doubt the tenets of trinity even if they remain quiet about it (some like the former bishop of Durham have stated it openly). But God provides us with a way out: "Verily, God loves those who turn unto Him in repentance and He loves those who keep themselves pure." 2:222 We need to accept that God's words cannot and will not change. That although humans will err, the errors can only be within limits as each time we err we correct it against an everlasting standard (we all have a measuring metre rule but we know that the standard -untampered - SImetre is held in Paris for us to refer to at any time). God's words are correct and complete for all time and applicable to humanity no matter what period of history. These are in the form of the words uttered by the angel Gabrial and preserved. No intervention, supposition or revising by any human. Alas the testimony of some biblical reporters would be hard pressed to stand up in a judicial court of today. Even if we had access to Jesus' own account - wouldn't that clear up a lot of issues! - it would be the chronicle and sayings of a (admittedly devinely guided) mortal.

honeto Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Islam Joined: 20 March 2008 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 2487	Post Options Post Reply Quote honeto Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 April 2008 at 6:50pm
	beleiver that's the whole point, it is an account of various people, and I agree that different people will describe the same event differently, as in the case of the Bible. Anything what God will reveal however is different than that. When it is God's word, it does not vary in account. And that's the case with the Quran. You have access to its original and the muti translations or interpretations, as each one of them have varying level of language ability as well as intellect to comprehend the meaning. But you don't have to take the translations as word of God, its the translation or interpretation only, next to the original Quran. Quran is clear, when it says. they did not crucify Jesus, but it was made appear so. I am a believer in Quran and its account not just for this but also that he was a man, a prophet from God, and not himself God, or son of God. Hasan Edited by honeto - 29 April 2008 at 6:52pm
	The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62

believer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 08 January 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1397	Post Options Post Reply Quote believer Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 April 2008 at 6:37pm
	Mohammad /Allah is speaking to the Jews here also the verse previous. They rejected Faith- faith in Jesus, faith in salvation through Jesus' sacrifice. 004.156 YUSUFALI: That they rejected Faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge; PICKTHAL: And because of their disbelief and of their speaking against Mary a tremendous calumny; SHAKIR: And for their unbelief and for their having uttered against Marium a grievous calumny.
	John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.