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    Posted: 29 May 2008 at 1:07pm
believer,
you said it right:
"He rose and sits with GOD to this day. "
We do believe the same.  
 
You further say:
"Remember Jesus' soul never died!!  It is just His outer shell that ceased to live."
Correct, we all have a body and a soul like you mentioned Jesus did, the body dies, the soul lives on. On the day of Judgement, the body and the soul will be reunited as God will raise our physical bodies again.
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Edited by honeto - 29 May 2008 at 1:09pm
The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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LOL!  Nur- you are half way to the truth.  When you have a question because the Quran is not explicit then you must go back to the Gospel and Torah to get the whole story.
 
Friends and family of Jesus were at His crucifixion.  Another could not have been switched with Jesus.  The Quran doesn't say that.
 
That verse is easily explained because Jesus did not remain dead, crucified- He rose and sits with GOD to this day.   
 
Remember Jesus' soul never died!!  It is just His outer shell that ceased to live.
John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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To Believer n Robin,

I do believe that there was a crucifixion. And many people witnessed it.
But the big question is who was crucified?
 
 
an-Nisa' 4:157] That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of God";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
[an-Nisa' 4:158] Nay, God raised him up unto Himself; and God is Exalted in Power, Wise;-
 
In other words, the image that can be found vastly in churches are the images of Judas, the man that betrayed Jesus.
Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.
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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

 
We know Jesus was crucified. 
Jesus was on earth under the authority of GOD. 
A gift of love to us from GOD for our salvation. 
Jesus' death attones for our sins.
 
 
True.
 
As you say "under the authority of GOD" and a lesser being, as Jesus himself said:-
 
Matthew 28:18
And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: "All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.
 
The only person with greater authority and power than Jesus Christ in the universe is Jehovah God.


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believer,
we will let Robin answer for herself, let me say this though that Robin (as far as I understand so far) does not worship Jesus besides God or as God like you do. Thus she does not associate partners beside God in godhead. Thus she does not commit that one unforgiveable sin (also mentioned in the Bible as such) of blasphemy agaisnt God. Thus closer to us than you, if not the same.
God knows best what is in each one of us' heart.
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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LOL!!  robin and I have a very different view of Chrisitanity.  Do not be hopeful that robin's belief is closer to Islam then mine.
 
robin please correct me if I am wrong.
 
We know Jesus was crucified.  Jesus was on earth under the authority of GOD.  A gift of love to us from GOD for our salvation.  Jesus' death attones for our sins.
 
John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt Shasta'sAunt wrote:

 
But the four accounts are not eyewitness accounts.... No one really knows who wrote the four Gospels and modern theologians and Bible scholars who have studied the remaining hand written copies agree that the authors cannot be verified.
 
 
 

Matthew               Matthew                                  c. 41 C.E.               

1Thessalonians    Paul                                         c. 50 C.E.

2Thessalonians    Paul                                         c. 51 C.E.

Galatians             Paul                                         c. 50-52 C.E.

Luke                    Luke                                        c. 56-58 C.E.

Romans               Paul                                         c. 56 C.E.               

1 Corinthians        Paul                                         c. 55 C.E.

2 Corinthians        Paul                                         c. 55 C.E.

Ephesians           Paul                                         c. 60-61 C.E.

Philippians           Paul                                         c. 60-61 C.E.

Colossians           Paul                                         c. 60-61 C.E.

Philemon              Paul                                         c. 60-61 C.E.

Mark                    Mark                                        c. 60-65 C.E.

Hebrews               Paul                                         c. 61 C.E.

Acts                     Luke                                        c. 61 C.E.               

1 Timothy             Paul                                         c. 61-64 C.E.

Titus                    Paul                                         c. 61-64 C.E.

James                 James     (Jesus'  Brother)    b. 62 C.E.

1 Peter                Peter                                       c. 62-64 C.E.

2 Peter                Peter                                       c. 64 C.E.

2 Timothy            Paul                                         c. 65 C.E.

Jude                    Jude        (Jesus'  Brother)    c. 65 C.E.

Revelation            John                                       c. 96 C.E.

John                    John                                       c. 98 C.E.

1 John                 John                                       c. 98 C.E.

2 John                 John                                       c. 98 C.E.

3 John                 John                                       c. 98 C.E.

 

a. = after                                  b. = before                              c. = about

 
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Originally posted by honeto honeto wrote:

Originally posted by robin robin wrote:

Originally posted by _ALI_ _ALI_ wrote:

I wonder why Christians say there are three Gods, when the Bible says

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.  (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4)"

It is funny that Jesus Christ never said trinity or talked about trinity. Instead when asked which was the most important commandment, he said

"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.  (From the NIV Bible, Mark 12:29)"

Notice also how Jesus said "our God", which included him to be under GOD Almighty's creation and Divine Authority, and not someone or an entity that is equal to GOD Almighty.

The Bible's New Testament also records Jesus saying: ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good�except God alone."   (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"

If Jesus doesn't consider himself as "good", then how can any sane person put him on the same level as GOD Almighty?  

 
Because they do not believe the word of the prophets or of God found in the Bible, thus they are in fact anti christian as they do not except what Jesus said!
 
 
Robin,
you are probably one of those God fearing Christians mentioned in the Quran, since you do not set others beside God as partners in godhead.
Hasan
 
That is what the Bible has always said.
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