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Jesus is on the throne of the Kingdom of GOD.  All of the Bible leads up to Jesus.

John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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 When a wrong is done a payment must be made, that is justice.

 When a wrong is done by "A" he/she should make the payment, not "B". It is not wise or justice that sin is committed by "X" and punishment is given to "Y". It is not logical. But what can we say about this atonement !!!

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It is a gift from GOD. 

GOD made the sacrifice for us because He wants us with Him.  We are not capable of meeting the reqirement of righteousness on our own.

GOD loves us so much.

 

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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

When a wrong is done a payment must be made, that is justice.

Jesus has atoned once and for all, any sin that I have in the past or future do.  God loves me so much that He gave His Son.  That gives anyone who believes amazing power to fight sin. 

Then what about Adam, Abraham, Noah, Moses? Who were they worshipping to before Jesus existed?

Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.
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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

GOD loves us so much.

Indeed HE loves us so much! Below are some of His attributes God - The Creator of the whole universe.

Ar-Rahman 1  The All-Compassionate
Ar-Rahim  2 The All-Merciful
Al-Muhaymin  7  The Guardian
Al-Ghaffar  14  The Forgiving
Al-Wahhab  16  The Giver of All
Ar-Razzaq  17  The Sustainer
Al-Basit  21  The Reliever
Al-Mu'izz  24  The Bestower of Honors
As-Sami  26  The Hearer of All
Al-Basir  27  The Seer of All
Al-'Adl  29  The Just
Al-Khabir  31  The All-Aware
Al-Halim  32  The Forebearing
Al-Ghafur  34  The Forgiver and Hider of Faults
Ash-Shakur  35  The Rewarder of Thankfulness
Al-Muqit  39  The Nourisher
Al-Hasib  40  The Accounter
Al-Karim  42  The Generous
Ar-Raqib  43  The Watchful One
Al-Mujib  44  The Responder to Prayer
Al-Wasi'  45  The All-Comprehending
Al-Hakim  46  The Perfectly Wise
Al-Wadud  47  The Loving One
Al-Ba'ith  49  The Resurrector
Al-Wakil  52  The Trustee
As-Samad  68  The Satisfier of All Needs
Al-Wal�  77  The Protecting Friend
At-Tawwib  80  The Guide to Repentance
Al-Afu  82  The Forgiver
Al-Mani'  90  The Preventer of Harm
An-Nafi  92  The Creator of Good
An-Nur  93  The Light
Al-Hadi  94  The Guide
Al-Badi  95  The Originator
Al-Baqi  96  The Everlasting One
Al-Warith  97  The Inheritor of All
Ar-Rashid  98  The Righteous Teacher
As-Sabur  99  The Patient One

Wherever can we find a more Loving God?

Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.
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Only God is worshipped, and He is the same God that all prophets prayed to throughout all mankind. Jesus also prayed to God.

As such when Christians pray, they do so, to God the Father, and through the name of Jesus. Jesus is then a mediator between the human and God.

I have posted a lengthy reply today  in 'the purpose of our existence' which explains why Christians see Jesus as their saviour, and the one who atoned for all the sins of the world. It also explains that God and Jesus are totally separate.

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 Jesus also, like all other prophets of God, taught the method of repentence. John the baptist taught the same thing. In Mathews, there is an interesting story about two brothers, the younger one taking his share of money and going abroad to do trading. That was against the will of his father. He disobeyed and annoyed his father.

 He lost all his wealth and became destitute. Jesus told the story beautifully that one day that youngman in foreign country, felt that he should return to the father and apologise.... So came back home.... It is interesting to read that. How his father celebrated his return...  !!!

 Also, every where, jesus is teaching the people to return to God. That God becomes very pleased when some one returns to God (by repentence). Jesus gave examples of a young girl having ten coins. She lost one coin. How she will sweep the floor and search. How happy she will be when she finds it. Jesus a.s. specially emphasised that the girl had the nine coins with her. Why was she worried about one coin?. Are nine better or the one?? The nine are better. But she hunts for that lost coin. In the same, Allah (God) hopes and wishes that all lost persons should be saved. None should be lost.

 There is no need of any blood sacrifice. There is only need to return to God. Jesus gave his life for the good cause and did not stop working for the benefit of the people. Only those are saved who return to God. That is also the Islamic teaching, no difference. In Quran, it is called (Taubah, Istaghfaar).



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If Jesus died on  the cross for the forgiveness of our sins, than the sacrifice should be ultimate, like God's own son, but my question is , if it did happen than how can God die, as we know God is the sustenance of life. If Jesus the man died than there is nothing special about this,  there are a lot of people in history who died for truth. So the question is who died on the cross?

 

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