Ibn Baz Wakes His Children For Salah

Alwardah wrote: As Salamu Alaikum Bro Andulus, I still don�t understand your immense dislike for the wahabi scholars as you call them.

It is not personal. It is not the individuals per say, or what kind of people they were. It is about the ideology they espouse which is the anti thesis to over a thousand years of scholarship that has served Muslims for generations. It is the anti thesis to solid pieces of work that we now call the four madhabs which is the product of centuries of scholarship by people who were experts in their field and fulfilled the qualifications and standards set into place by the ulema to ensure that "muqliids" would have actual experts to go to, no different than one would want if one were to seek out a surgeon or engineer or a baker.

Being that they are the anti thesis to a methdology that is at the foundation of what millions follow and ahere to, the real question should be, why do you support and promote such men who represent such an ideology.

There are many in the Muslim world who cherish their works����give it a break brother.

And there are millions more who would like to bury their works.

And it was only that oil money was in abundance that any of their works ever saw the light of day. Kitab A Tawheed, Fiqh Assunah, or any of the works by the self trained muhadithun Albani, are thought of by a minority as being actual classics is due to the massive oil money that went behind their translating and production and distribution, while not deemed as much as a serious read by any reputable scholar of the four schools of fiqh.

Shaikh ibn Baz (Rahimahullah) has already met His Lord, you still have time to repent���make good use of that time. May Allah forgive us for our foolishness. Ameen! Wa Alaikum Salam

Sister, I completely respect you, and I am always refreshed by your good will and honesty, and you are so right on so many different levels with the above statement, and on a lot of other things you say and contribute to this fourm. But in this context, we simply cannot appeal to emotion.

Assalam Aleikum

As Salamu Alaikum

Bro Andalus,

You are so right there are many who cherish their works (the wahabi scholars) and many who bury them and I guess as far as the scholars are concerned I do tend to get emotional. 

There is far too much scholar bashing on the internet for the past few years��okay you say you are not bashing the wahabi scholars and they say they are not bashing the Bid'ah scholars��..to me both are bashing each other. That hurts.

Maybe your intention is good, they also say their intention is good��Insha Allah, Allah will be the final judge.

At the end of the day, we all can choose what to read and what to trash and we are only accountable for ourselves���but a word of caution to myself firstly and then to the rest of the members of this forum. We will also be accountable for each and every letter we type, our hands, feet, eyes ears, all our faculties are going to bear witness for or against us. So beware brothers and sisters.

Bro Knowledge, you posted a very good Dua. May Allah reward you for sharing it with us. Ameen! You know the more negative articles I read about any scholar, it arouses my curiosity to read more about them. I end up respecting them more than the scholars who wrote the negative articles about them. For me it works both ways.

May Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala bless us with useful knowledge. Ameen!

Wa Alaikum Salam

Andalus wrote: Alwardah wrote: As Salamu Alaikum Bro Andulus, I still don�t understand your immense dislike for the wahabi scholars as you call them.   It is not personal. It is not the individuals per say, or what kind of people they were. It is about the ideology they espouse which is the anti thesis to over a thousand years of scholarship that has served Muslims for generations. It is the anti thesis to solid pieces of work that we now call the four madhabs which is the product of centuries of scholarship by people who were experts in their field and fulfilled the qualifications and standards set into place by the ulema to ensure that "muqliids" would have actual experts to go to, no different than one would want if one were to seek out a surgeon or engineer or a baker.   Being that they are the anti thesis to a methdology that is at the foundation of what millions follow and ahere to, the real question should be, why do you support and promote such men who represent such an ideology.   There are many in the Muslim world who cherish their works����give it a break brother.   And there are millions more who would like to bury their works. And it was only that oil money was in abundance that any of their works ever saw the light of day. Kitab A Tawheed, Fiqh Assunah, or any of the works by the self trained muhadithun Albani, are thought of by a minority as being actual classics is due to the massive oil money that went behind their translating and production and distribution, while not deemed as much as a serious read by any reputable scholar of the four schools of fiqh.     Shaikh ibn Baz (Rahimahullah) has already met His Lord, you still have time to repent���make good use of that time. May Allah forgive us for our foolishness. Ameen! Wa Alaikum Salam Sister, I completely respect you, and I am always refreshed by your good will and honesty, and you are so right on so many different levels with the above statement, and on a lot of other things you say and contribute to this fourm. But in this context, we simply cannot appeal to emotion. Assalam Aleikum

Salaamu Alaykum,

JAK for that succint explanation, Brother Andalus.  I had actually taken the time to look up some things about the Brother Ibn Baaz in a few places.  I appreciate your comments as well as knowing that some of our Brothers and Sisters admire this person.  Generally I agree with your assesment, and I appreciate your opinions on this.  This is a discussion board, and we should always be careful of what we say, do think, write, comment, and post.  When people post threats of Allah, The Most Loving, to prove their points and as if their points were completely supported By Allah, The All-Knowing, and the person they are disagreeing with is opposing our Loving Lord, I find it distasteful, inappropriate, and childish.  Your response, however, was mature and thoughtful.  JAK.

Sorry, Brother Knowledge that you intended this to be a tribute to the man's good qualities, and that is why I didn't post anything after I researched and realized who this person was and some of the other things he has done and caused to be done through his teachings.

However, when we post things here, we need to expect that people will disagree with us.  Maybe you could entitle it:  A Tribute to Ibn Baaz, no negative comments please" ?

Any good deed will be reward by Allah, The Just, and waking children lovingly and consistently for Salat is certainly one of them.