Ibn Baz Wakes His Children For Salah

As Salamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu Sister Herijihad

 

If I did attack you or Brother Andalus, then Insha Allah I will apologize and beg Allah�s forgiveness.

 

Your comment was in respond to Bro Andalus response to my post. Correct.

 

Your comment:

 

Generally I agree with your assesment, and I appreciate your opinions on this.  This is a discussion board, and we should always be careful of what we say, do think, write, comment, and post.  When people post threats of Allah, The Most Loving, to prove their points and as if their points were completely supported By Allah, The All-Knowing, and the person they are disagreeing with is opposing our Loving Lord, I find it distasteful, inappropriate, and childish

 

So where did I post threats of Allah to brother Andalus, show me, where did I use Allah Subhanahu wa Ta�ala�s name in an inappropriate manner to prove my point, Or maybe the �people� did not refer to me. I doubt it because if it did, all you had to do was say so, that you did not refer to me and were speaking generally. If I made a mistake and jumped to the wrong conclusions because of our past discussions, then all you had to do was correct that misconception.

 

All I pointed out to brother Andalus is that ibn Baz is dead, and he Brother Andalus still has time to repent��.is that a threat. To me that is a Nasiha��.. Masha Allah brother Andalus has a good knowledge of the scholars and their background and he also has a good knowledge about Islam, so basically I was disappointed he found my Nasiha as emotional. No problem, I explained my point to him, in my next post. Maybe that post was the one in which I threaten the brother by reminding him that we are accountable for all our actions big or small. It was no threat to you brother it is a fact repeated many times in the Glorious Qur'an. Oops using the Qur'an again to prove my point���but it�s not an opinion sister it is a fact. I don�t use Qur'an or Hadith for opinions only to prove a point, a fact.

 

Sister you can call me childish and an idiot or what ever you fancy, I don�t mind but don�t say that I threaten the brother because I asked him to repent, or accuse me of posting threats of Allah, the Most Loving, to prove my points. If Ayah from the Glorious Qur'an or Sunnah are used in support then Insha Allah, Allah�s support is there as well. The disagreeing person can also quote from the Glorious Qur'an and Sunnah to substantiate their point of view. This is the general principle, agreeing to disagree with evidence.

 

Brother Andalus, if you took my post as an attack on you, you should have said so in the first place. Be honest from the start, there was no need for you to say:

 

�Sister, I completely respect you, and I am always refreshed by your good will and honesty,�������.

 

Some times, we are so busy worrying about the faults of others that we fail to see our own. We are all human and we all make mistakes, if we don�t make mistakes we cannot learn; and the beauty of all this is that the channels are open to seek forgiveness from each other.

 

I would have asked your forgiveness immediately brother Andalus if you felt that I attacked you.

 

I would have even asked your forgiveness immediately sister Herjihad if only you stated that your comment was general; not anyone in particular and definitely not me. All this unpleasantness would have being avoided.

 

The reason why I do not respond to your comments sister, point-to-point, is I have a bad habit of quoting from the Glorious Qur'an and Sunnah in support of what I need to say as you know. So I try to be brief to avoid an even worse confrontation with you, which ever way we go, it turns sour.

 

Thanks for reminding me about that beautiful Hadith Qudsi.  Insha Allah, Allah will reward you with Khairan both in this world and the next. Ameen!

 

These are happy days - its Eid Al-Adha if I hurt you sister or brother Andalus in anyway, I beg your forgiveness if you have it in your hearts to forgive me.

 

Eid Mubarak to everyone

 

Wa Alaikum Salam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

 

 

Salaamu Alaykum,

The green are the new comments.  I disagree with the sister and think this "discussion" should be placed in the Infighting section.  The reason I made my initial response to her comments was I believe to stand up for a brother's gallant behavior toward her not well-considered remarks.  It's just amazingly uncool that as she is a moderator some of those remarks have disappeared without having been "edited".

Your comments were directed to me even though you were responding to the brother's comments, and I had responded as such.

They were just ABOUT those who do what you do as well.

Quote from the Quran or Sunnah about Hell-fire or punishment, or accountability and you get offended. Only Allah knows why?

This quote of mine below that I posted above disproves THAT theory.  Why don't you try and think about the things I have said to you rather than summarily dismiss them and cast spurious insinuations on my character?

I remind you of this Hadith Qudsi:  When Allah, SWT, created this earth, He promised that his Mercy is Greater Than His Wrath.

May Allah forgive me for abusing His Name to prove a point.�meen

Sister Flower, you haven't proven any point other than that you persist without considering what I am saying to you, and look for ways to discredit my posts.  I am right about this small mistake in your posts.  Please consider it.  I beseech you to do so. 

Why don't I take offense?  Darling, I don't even KNOW you!  Okay.  I have met many like you at the mosque, but I don't know YOU.  I have so many more serious things to consider than this unfortunately very common behavior.

Don't you realize that I could do the same thing?  I could say my opinion, let you post yours, and then quote a random passage of the Holy Quran saying people who do this or that will go to the fires of hell, as if that would have anything to do with what you just said.  This is the mad methodology that you employ!

And unlike you, I won't abuse the Glorious name of my beloved Allah, The Ubiquitous.  Why would you say such a thing? (Again, Dear Flower, this last paragraph is rhetorical, meaning NOT requiring a response.)

Have a nice day?  Wow.  I'd hate to see the expression on your face when you wrote that.

Salaamu Alaykum

Salaamu Alaykum Sister Flower,

I chose to answer you in the brother's thread as I really don't know where else to put this response to you.  My comments were a compliment to the Brother for his restrained and even gallant response to your ATTACKS.  So that was relevant.  However, your comments to me really weren't.  You should have opened a new thread entitled, "My Grudge against all who don't believe EXACTLY as I do."

Peace

Alwardah wrote: As Salamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu   When one talks about accountability before Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala on the Day of Judgment I don�t see how that translates to threats. If someone sees that as a threat then they are denying almost half the teachings of the Glorious Qur'an.   My comments have always being distasteful and inappropriate and childish to you sister Herjihad whenever I quote from the Glorious Qur'an or Hadith pointing to Allah�s punishment. Only when you assign His punishment to Your opinion constantly.  Judgment Day is in Allah, The Merciful's hands, not yours or mine!   Just as any good deed is reward by the Most Loving, Most Merciful Allah so will every bad or evil deed be punished by the same Most Loving, Most Merciful Allah. HE has told us so many times in the Glorious Qur'an.   Furthermore this is a discussion forum, so we should not be painting a rosy picture for people who are trying to find the true teachings of Islam- Sister, your opinions do not equal the TRUE TEACHINGS OF ISLAM!!! As neither do mine.  Subhanna AllahulAtheem! that there is only reward and no punishment. Its only when we realize that we will be accountable for our actions that we strive to do good and refrain from doing evil. I remind you of this Hadith Qudsi:  When Allah, SWT, created this earth, He promised that his Mercy is Greater Than His Wrath.   May Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala guide us and save us from our shortcomings. Ameen! Ameen!   Wa Alaikum Salam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

Andalus wrote: Alwardah wrote: As Salamu Alaikum Bro Andulus, I still don�t understand your immense dislike for the wahabi scholars as you call them.   It is not personal. It is not the individuals per say, or what kind of people they were. It is about the ideology they espouse which is the anti thesis to over a thousand years of scholarship that has served Muslims for generations. It is the anti thesis to solid pieces of work that we now call the four madhabs which is the product of centuries of scholarship by people who were experts in their field and fulfilled the qualifications and standards set into place by the ulema to ensure that "muqliids" would have actual experts to go to, no different than one would want if one were to seek out a surgeon or engineer or a baker.   Being that they are the anti thesis to a methdology that is at the foundation of what millions follow and ahere to, the real question should be, why do you support and promote such men who represent such an ideology.   There are many in the Muslim world who cherish their works����give it a break brother.   And there are millions more who would like to bury their works. And it was only that oil money was in abundance that any of their works ever saw the light of day. Kitab A Tawheed, Fiqh Assunah, or any of the works by the self trained muhadithun Albani, are thought of by a minority as being actual classics is due to the massive oil money that went behind their translating and production and distribution, while not deemed as much as a serious read by any reputable scholar of the four schools of fiqh.     Shaikh ibn Baz (Rahimahullah) has already met His Lord, you still have time to repent���make good use of that time. May Allah forgive us for our foolishness. Ameen! Wa Alaikum Salam Sister, I completely respect you, and I am always refreshed by your good will and honesty, and you are so right on so many different levels with the above statement, and on a lot of other things you say and contribute to this fourm. But in this context, we simply cannot appeal to emotion. Assalam Aleikum

Salaamu Alaykum,

JAK for that succint explanation, Brother Andalus.  I had actually taken the time to look up some things about the Brother Ibn Baaz in a few places.  I appreciate your comments as well as knowing that some of our Brothers and Sisters admire this person.  Generally I agree with your assesment, and I appreciate your opinions on this.  This is a discussion board, and we should always be careful of what we say, do think, write, comment, and post.  When people post threats of Allah, The Most Loving, to prove their points and as if their points were completely supported By Allah, The All-Knowing, and the person they are disagreeing with is opposing our Loving Lord, I find it distasteful, inappropriate, and childish.  Your response, however, was mature and thoughtful.  JAK.

Sorry, Brother Knowledge that you intended this to be a tribute to the man's good qualities, and that is why I didn't post anything after I researched and realized who this person was and some of the other things he has done and caused to be done through his teachings.

However, when we post things here, we need to expect that people will disagree with us.  Maybe you could entitle it:  A Tribute to Ibn Baaz, no negative comments please" ?

Any good deed will be reward by Allah, The Just, and waking children lovingly and consistently for Salat is certainly one of them.

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