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peacemaker
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Topic: Saudi Girl sentenced in own rape Posted: 16 December 2007 at 6:45am |
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"You know, I wonder if she got a harsher sentence because she's Shia and not Sunni?" Angela, while I don�t doubt your good intention, such statements without any evidence can easily cause discords among people. Islam forbids us to speculate without any evidence. There is already a thread on this topic in the Current Events: Anyone interested to continue to discuss this matter can take part there: |
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Angela
Senior Member Joined: 11 July 2005 Status: Offline Points: 2555 |
Posted: 15 December 2007 at 6:44am | ||||
You know, I wonder if she got a harsher sentence because she's Shia and not Sunni? I also recently read that her husband has been working very hard on her defense. What husband would do that if his wife had been naked in a car with another man? I think he believes his wife that she was only retrieving the photograph and was being blackmailed. Who knows...Only Allah. All of these people will face their judgements. Oh, and Angel, the beatings are done a few at a time over a period of several weeks, she's not getting all 200 lashes at the same time and the method they use does not break skin. So its not like the Slaves of the American south. Many of them died from flogging because of infection from the open wounds left by the bull whip. Still, to my western mindset, its still barbaric to beat a rape victim extra for speaking to the media. Quran says 80 lashes...why is she getting 200, that's my question, I though the Quran was the final law. |
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Salams_wife
Senior Member Joined: 31 July 2007 Status: Offline Points: 296 |
Posted: 14 December 2007 at 5:54am | ||||
There are a couple questions that keep running through my mind about this case. 1. How do they know they girl was indecently dressed. Are they relying on the rapists as witnesses to that? I have not read of any witnesses outside the victims and the rapists. 2. I also wonder if the boy in the car was convicted for being alone with a non-woman relative. It seems to me he should be getting the same punishment as the girl originally recieved. Especially since you can really put the original blame of this whole incident on him. If he had never contacted the girl, none of this would have happened. I also wonder, like Angel, how those guys knew and were waiting for them. The whole case seems suspicious to me, but I am not in the court so maybe we are misssing some details. |
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Angel
Senior Member Joined: 03 July 2001 Status: Offline Points: 6641 |
Posted: 14 December 2007 at 5:15am | ||||
from what i've gathered it is illegal to be alone with a man who is not your relative, so she got punishment for that. Second the extra punishment there is no justification and shouldn't have happened, if people have a right to exercise their rights then there should be no aftermath for it.
I highly doubt that is the reason. Some people need to be seriously educated!! I do have to question why there were seven men waiting ??
why would she make up a story of being repeatedly raped and so was her friend, its not just her story it is also the guy's. Something like that would traumise you. There were men waiting for god's sake!
Not everyone goes to their parents or the police when being threatened. From what I gather she was friends with the guy before being engaged, whatever form of relationship it was, I will not speculate like some of you guys do. Often people (any people) will exchange photos of each other, why is it so hard to image that is what went down, why do some of you have to image that something else went down instead, were you in the car with them??
I'm glad you said that.
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Angel
Senior Member Joined: 03 July 2001 Status: Offline Points: 6641 |
Posted: 14 December 2007 at 4:34am | ||||
The case has gone to the high courts. The girl wasn't married yet, she went to get the photo of her from her friend before getting married, what turned out as an innocent act, despite what she did was not lawful, she did pay the punishment, but the most outcry was because she exercised her right and then was given extra punishment for it, it is also noted that if the girls attorney was to appeal the girl would get triple the punishment. I haven't heard any more on that bit about the triple punishment, since it has gone to the high courts.. In one of the local magazines, WHO: december 17, 2007, it is noted: "Saudi Arabian justice officals tells a story of a woman who was in the act of "illegal mingling" when she was abducted and raped by seven men. But the woman, known as the "Girl of Qatif" (she hails from the town in eastern Saudi Arabia), tells a different story. In 2006, the woman, 19, met a friend inhis car in Qatif to retrieve a photo of herself she had given the man before she has become engaged. Then, "two people got out of [a] car and stood on either side of our car," she told human rights campaigner Farida deif. "The man on my side had a knife. I screamed." The men took them both to a building where five other men were waiting. Over several hours the pair were repeatedly raped by the seven men. What proved to be as shocking and incomprehensible as the crime itsefl was that, along with her assailants, who recieved jail terms, the Girl of Qatif, now 20, was on Nov.14 also handed a punishment. For being alone with a man not related to her, she was sentenced to 90 lashes. She appealed, but her sentence was increased to 200 lashes and six months' prison. After the sentence sparked a worldwide outcry, Saudi foreign minister Prince Saudi al-Faisal told reporters the case will now go before the "highest courts." Human-rights campaigner Ali Alyami told The New York Times: "The system has to be transformed from top to botom." Anyway who survives that amount of lashings? |
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Huzi
Member. Joined: 13 December 2007 Status: Offline Points: 4 |
Posted: 13 December 2007 at 9:55pm | ||||
Salam alaykum,
Sura 24 An-Nur Ayah 2: The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.
Please go through these links for the clarification given by saudi ministry of justice on the case
Was-Salam |
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Salams_wife
Senior Member Joined: 31 July 2007 Status: Offline Points: 296 |
Posted: 05 December 2007 at 1:58pm | ||||
Hayfa, that is really great that you teach the self-defense classes. I wish all women would go to those. It is also encouraging what you said about one of your students. I think when women are tought techniques to defend themselves then it empowers them to try to save themselves and gives them more confidence. I took my classes through one of the Royce Gracie schools for Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. It is amazing what they can teach you to do no matter how small you are or how strong. |
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Hayfa
Senior Member Female Joined: 07 June 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2368 |
Posted: 05 December 2007 at 3:50am | ||||
The more you convince a man he is up for the fight of his life if he attacks you, the less likely you are to become a victim. Salams Wife, you are correct. I'd love to know where you took your classes. :) I teach self-defense here in Wash DC. And yes most people are Attacked by someone they know. And being attacked by more than one assailant is not that common for women. In one of our programs, there was a woman who was in the middle of the course, it is 25 hours, full-force self-defense, she was about 2/3 the way through. She was attacked by three men, she had her baby and a toddler. She knocked them all out |
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