Whose the Terrorist Muslim or Christian?

Tom123:

 "A Christian who is faithful to the Gospel would never attack or seek to harm anyone, even if in self-defence, and would instead pray for their enemies and work for peace."

That is the lamest and most wrongful answer you have said. I know many Christians who are "God fearing" but would take a persons life in a second if their life was in danger. Tom123 no offense because I don't know you in real life but you must be two things: 1) A wimp or 2) totally blind by ignorance. I remember in a previous thread I asked you would you be willing to take someones life to defend your family and you said you'd try to reason with someone or something along those lines. Although your answer is quite noble I still believe judging by your posts that your neo-altruist Christian thinking is not logical.

A Christian regardless whether he or she is quite religious/spiritual is still capable of committing evil and good, and murder people whether with evil or good (for defense) intent.

*Note: Tom you seem to be very good human being with a good heart and I admire your passion for good will. Perhaps I have a different perpspective on the issue of defense since I obviously grew up differently than you. I too cherish the life of others even if they are scum like terrorist however I believe as humans since we are instinctively selfish about our own life, should consider defending ourselves when our lives and the lives of our family is in danger. It is a misinterpretation to say Christians are taught to lay down their lives for their enemies. That is misinformation, not Christian. If anything if you are ignorant of what you say perhaps you are tappig into the selfishness of what you'll receive after death than the logic in this life.

Anatolian wrote: Oscar you emphasize the word "Christian" when you speak of the West. As a Christian who lives in the West I don't FEEL it's Christian at all. The seperation of Church and State in Europe and America means religion is NOT part of it's economic or political goals. Christian communities who are to this day suffering under an Islamic regime are not heard yet Kosovo Albanians are backed up by this "Christian" West. (By the way the Kosovo Albanians are Muslims in case you didn't know. So are majority of Bosniaks who, with the help of the West have an independent state.) Enough labeling NATO, The EU, The US, Canada, and everybody who has one Christian more living in a country that those policies are Christian. There not. Grow up and get yourself an education. Try not to sound so foolish.

i didn't say the Wests leaders are Christians, I'M ONLY QUOTING WHAT THEY HAVE SAID.

SEPARATION OF NOTHING, CHRISTIANS ARE HIDING BEHIND DEMOCRACY TO COMMIT IMMORAL ACTS AROUND THE WORLD

Anatolia get yourself the truth

Tom123 wrote: In answer to your question "who is the terrorist- Muslim or Christian?", how about a third option- neither???    A Muslim who is faithful to Islam would never attack someone unless if in self-defence and in war s/he would never murder civilians.    A Christian who is faithful to the Gospel would never attack or seek to harm anyone, even if in self-defence, and would instead pray for their enemies and work for peace.    The Bushes and bin Ladens are using religion to justify terrorism, imperialism, occupation and other forms of murder. Neither Christianity or Islam allow for the crimes they commit.    Cristo Vive!       - Tomasz

I like to agree with Tom.

Israfil: I know many Christians who are "God fearing" but would take a persons life in a second if their life was in danger.

That is for self defense which is acceptable in Islam, but as tom said, if a christian is truly god fearing he even can't do that. "If someone slaps you on one cheek, offer him the other" is the teaching of bible. neither Islam nor christianity advocates anarchy and killings without permitted resons.

So who are making all these troubles? they are truly not believers.... so religion is the solution to all these problems, but the policy makers seem to look for it somewhere else.....

009.007
YUSUFALI: How can there be a league, before Allah and His Messenger, with the Pagans, except those with whom ye made a treaty near the sacred Mosque? As long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for Allah doth love the righteous.
PICKTHAL: How can there be a treaty with Allah and with His messenger for the idolaters save those with whom ye made a treaty at the Inviolable Place of Worship? So long as they are true to you, be true to them. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty.
SHAKIR: How can there be an agreement for the idolaters with Allah and with His Messenger; except those with whom you made an agreement at the Sacred Mosque? So as long as they are true to you, be true to them; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty).

009.008
YUSUFALI: How (can there be such a league), seeing that if they get an advantage over you, they respect not in you the ties either of kinship or of covenant? With (fair words from) their mouths they entice you, but their hearts are averse from you; and most of them are rebellious and wicked.
PICKTHAL: How (can there be any treaty for the others) when, if they have the upper hand of you, they regard not pact nor honour in respect of you? They satisfy you with their mouths the while their hearts refuse. And most of them are wrongdoers.
SHAKIR: How (can it be)! while if they prevail against you, they would not pay regard in your case to ties of relationship, nor those of covenant; they please you with their mouths while their hearts do not consent; and most of them are transgressors.

009.009
YUSUFALI: The Signs of Allah have they sold for a miserable price, and (many) have they hindered from His way: evil indeed are the deeds they have done.
PICKTHAL: They have purchased with the revelations of Allah a little gain, so they debar (men) from His way. Lo! evil is that which they are wont to do.
SHAKIR: They have taken a small price for the communications of Allah, so they turn away from His way; surely evil is it that they do.

009.010
YUSUFALI: In a Believer they respect not the ties either of kinship or of covenant! It is they who have transgressed all bounds.
PICKTHAL: And they observe toward a believer neither pact nor honour. These are they who are transgressors.
SHAKIR: They do not pay regard to ties of relationship nor those of covenant in the case of a believer; and these are they who go beyond the limits.

009.011
YUSUFALI: But (even so), if they repent, establish regular prayers, and practise regular charity,- they are your brethren in Faith: (thus) do We explain the Signs in detail, for those who understand.
PICKTHAL: But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge.
SHAKIR: But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith; and We make the communications clear for a people who know.

009.012
YUSUFALI: But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and taunt you for your Faith,- fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith: for their oaths are nothing to them: that thus they may be restrained.
PICKTHAL: And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist.
SHAKIR: And if they break their oaths after their agreement and (openly) revile your religion, then fight the leaders of unbelief-- surely their oaths are nothing-- so that they may desist.

009.013
YUSUFALI: Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe!
PICKTHAL: Will ye not fight a folk who broke their solemn pledges, and purposed to drive out the messenger and did attack you first? What! Fear ye them? Now Allah hath more right that ye should fear Him, if ye are believers
SHAKIR: What! will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Messenger, and they attacked you first; do you fear them? But Allah is most deserving that you should fear Him, if you are believers.

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YUSUFALI: Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,
PICKTHAL: Fight them! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will lay them low and give you victory over them, and He will heal the breasts of folk who are believers.
SHAKIR: Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them and heal the hearts of a believing people.

009.015
YUSUFALI: And still the indignation of their hearts. For Allah will turn (in mercy) to whom He will; and Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.
PICKTHAL: And He will remove the anger of their hearts. Allah relenteth toward whom He will. Allah is Knower, Wise.
SHAKIR: And remove the rage of their hearts; and Allah turns (mercifully) to whom He pleases, and Allah is Knowing, Wise.

Clearly they are talking about fighting those that made peace treaties and then broke them.