Why war on ISLAM??

Unfortunately brother, one of the things that would concern me is what brand of Islam would they govern the folks with in the country.

Hamsheer�em, my point is very simple.

A people should be free to choose any brand, any breed of what they like. Who are we? The keepers of Islam or its copy rights holders?

I believe that humans hold the simple straightforward right to follow any practices, any religion, folklore, culture, whatever in any way they like. And, we plus, least of all, the Pentagon or any other Grand Council of Greed have no right, at all, of telling them what to do or what not to do.

It�s a natural learning process. If it doesn�t work for them then it�s up to them to choose what�s the next best thing for them.

the true type of Islamic rule that was enlightening and tolerant as practiced by Islamic Spain in mid medeviel times, or the head chopping off force the women to be illiterate and wear burqa type that was practiced in Afghanistan under the Taliban ruled regime?

Well, the burqa is perhaps the worst thing that can ever happen to any woman, but just in our parts of the world. I have known a good majority of women, in Muslims countries, who adorned their burqa despite their men�s demands to be free and open.

It�s something blown out of proportion, I have not been able to work out by who.

In time, if Afghans didn�t like or generally felt unsafe with the Talibaan, they would have definitely blown them out almost like stubbing a cigarette in an ashtray. It�s exactly their matter how they like to live or behave with their women. We do not have any right to implement any Manhattan model or caste them in moulds of our fancy.

What breaks my heart is my Afghani refugee friends that I am working with to teach them to read and write, at least in English. Once they learn the English lettering they can read even the transliterated stuff in their own language. These are women aged 15 to 42, who were not allowed to attend school.

The two set ups, the Industrialised US and the Afghani or, for that matter, any other on the sand dunes of Sind or the Mid East, are very different. I have been across both these. Had I found that the woman in Seattle had gained something after she was converted into a mortgage sharing slave I would have stood by you and shouted for all the women of the world to do that!

I have tried to look kindly at a set up in which a footballer�s muse can spend in a day what a mother or a teacher can�t earn even in a whole life time. Just vulgar comes to mind.  

True the American and foreign occupation has been a bad thing, but I think the viciousness of the former rulers of Afghanistan were worse. I would not like to see the Wahabbi form of Islam there also.

Maryah, what if they come to choose it?

Maybe Secularism is better. For whatever people fault America, the founding fathers had the right idea when they wrote the constitution and the bill of rights.

Absolutely!

But, did the Founding Fathers� prescribe that if some people fail to look like us, we must shower them from 52,000 feet up in the air, with some of the lethal stuff?

Jefferson was not a "christian, he was a secularist, but he believed in the separation of church and state.

I agree with you, but only to the extent that if the people in the US wish to keep the state separate from religion � WE HAVE NO OBJECTIONS AT ALL.

But, if some people wish to run their state or states in keeping with their religion why should we bomb them or even object to what they want?

nu001
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Sorry brother, don't mind for my comments, It might sound harsh but I think that's the reality.

My friend, why would I mind anything, ever? We are here to sing our own songs, in our own tunes,

What do you mean by pakistan wants? People? or Military?

This survey is based on peoples� opinions and aspirations.

what people wants is immaterial in pakistan, what military wants that's final. They will remain in control of power for eternity by feeding different capsules (Democracy, secularism, islamic etc etc) what ever can keep the people quiet for sometime.

Eternity? All things come to their end, sooner or later. The army occupation of Pakistan is nearing its end.

But the rule reamins to be a military rule, with or without uniform. Past sixty years should be enough to understand that. And a military rule can only provide different form of autocracy, coz that's what they have learnt and made for all over the world. Just like a mango tree can't produce apple, a man can't give birth to a child even if u try a million years, Army can't produce democracy in million years.

I agree with you, these 60 years and five months have been a nightmare. But as they say sometimes enough becomes enough and change coughs in. The conditions are now set for a change.

Army won�t produce democracy, the people will.

Even a corrupt democratic politician can provide a better denocracy in course of time. See the example next door in india.

Not just in India, but it has been that way in every single country of our world. People start from somewhere and then carve a system out for themselves.  

Pakistan needs a people's revolution, which the pakistanis are not capable of because of many reasons, they can only make some chaos, the situation suits the west perfectly to keep pakistan in their hand and dependant.

My friend, solutions always rise out of a process of chaos.

don't like to make it lengthy, it's useless talking about any kind of democracy in pakistan.

Yes, it�s useless, perhaps, now. But the coming time is something else.

I have once before asked you when did that happen and where, but you seem to have evaporated into some non-existent thin air well matched with your statement.

Do you hold the guts at least to clarify what your statement means?

Hold, peace! Good lord, I've only been gone a few days. Not everyone has constant Internet access.

Hold, peace! Good lord, I've only been gone a few days. Not everyone has constant Internet access.

Sorry, we start to miss someone, specially, when just from our neighbourhood!