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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Walid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 March 2008 at 8:28am

Originally posted by martha martha wrote:

. The Christian, Jewish, muslim religion are all right. They all believe in the same God. They just do some things different.

 

Sister, please help. Are you saying that we all believe same God and do some things differently?  Would you explain to us this more

 

 

 

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I'm having trouble reconciling the fact that the concept of Islamic democracy as a fathomable reality.
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My only question is very simple; what do we do if and when the majority want that for their own lands?

They can't.  The inalienable rights of man trump even a democratic decision.  Freedom of religion is inalienable.

Example: If everyone in America, the President, and Congress voted to illegalize Islam, under the Lockean ideals of the American Constitution such an action would be illegitimate no matter how many people supported it.

The alternative is mob-rule, in which the rights of minorities are trampled.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Whisper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2008 at 11:08am

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I appeciate you positivity. Yes, hope is something on which may are living in this world. If there was no hope, many would have perished and we all would have found it difficult.

My friend, I see some exceptionally dark clouds being blown away by some fierce winds. The global balance is shifting to show us that there is none but just the One Super Power!

2012 will be some interesting year.

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Hold, peace! Good lord, I've only been gone a few days. Not everyone has constant Internet access.

Sorry, we start to miss someone, specially, when just from our neighbourhood!

The individual I was responding to seems to support a system in which religious law was binding, also known as a theocracy. In such a system I would be forced to follow the dictates of the Muslim faith, whatever they were decided to be. I'm arguing for secular democracy instead.
My only question is very simple; what do we do if and when the majority want that for their own lands?
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Whisper

I appeciate you positivity. Yes, hope is something on which may are living in this world. If there was no hope, many would have perished and we all would have found it difficult.

Since none can predict the future, lets hope for the best and pray to Allah that it happens the way you expect. An unstable and non-democratic Pakistan is a problem for many in the region as well, alongside Pakistan.

Hope, the best happens.

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I have once before asked you when did that happen and where, but you seem to have evaporated into some non-existent thin air well matched with your statement.

Do you hold the guts at least to clarify what your statement means?

Hold, peace! Good lord, I've only been gone a few days. Not everyone has constant Internet access.


The individual I was responding to seems to support a system in which religious law was binding, also known as a theocracy. In such a system I would be forced to follow the dictates of the Muslim faith, whatever they were decided to be. I'm arguing for secular democracy instead.

Get it?
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I just love these kinds of polls. In all my life, I have never been asked a
decent question or chosen to participate in any one of these earth
shattering polls which do the rounds, supposedly conducted over a broad
spectrum of society, but never broad enough to include me!. The polls tell
me, for example: 4 out of 10 people say they support democracy, so I
assume, well let me see, of those 10 people over there, I wonder which 6
were against democracy or worse, answered: �don�t know�?

So, on the basis of my experience, I can�t take polls seriously. Here we
have the ultimate of polls: a survey presumably of Pakistanis, but released
in Washington, and funded by the US Institute of Peace.

Well, let�s see, what do we have here?
The United States Institute of Peace, is funded by Congress and headed
by:
Bush appoints anti-Muslim to peace role

Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington
Saturday August 23, 2003
The Guardian

A Middle East expert who has written dismissively of diplomacy and holds
views to the right of the Israeli prime minister, Ariel Sharon, was
yesterday named to the board of the US Institute of Peace.
The largely honorary appointment of Daniel Pipes, a gift of President
George Bush, has outraged Democratic senators, American Muslims and
Arabs, liberal Jews and a large portion of the academic community, who
say his opinions are not conducive to peace.�

The International Relations Center, on their �Group Watch� page
(http://rightweb.irc-online.org/groupwatch/usip.php) give some very
interesting details about this institution, such as this:�

�USIP has been under criticism since its inception as being a research arm
of the government. The USIP board of directors is a who's who of
rightwing academia and government which challenges the institute's
credentials as a nonpartisan and nonideological organization.�

Given these credentials, I suspect the World Public Opinion polls are
aimed at presenting the opinions which most accurately serve the
purposes of such groups as the USIP, and ultimately serve to mould public
opinion. Just like it says in their name.

This piece, is a perfect example of non-information aimed it seems at the
US home consumption: look at these gems:
"The surveyors note that the support for Sharia playing a greater role may
indicate desire for the civil courts to perform their functions more
effectively rather than for a fundamental change." - or then again, maybe
it means the people of Pakistan want Sharia law to be given a greater
role. It depends how the question was framed, doesn't it?

And then we have: "At the same time a large majority of Pakistanis want
Pakistan to be more democratic." Isn't this a bit like a woman being a
little bit pregnant? And what is a large majority? Is it like a large minority,
just a different colour and a bit shorter?

"Asked �How important it is to you to live in a country that is governed by
representatives elected by the people� on a 10-point scale, the mean
response is 8.4. Asked to rate Pakistan in this regard the mean score was
just 4.8, though the polling was conducted just before emergency rule
was imposed." Oh I see, so had you asked them this BEFORE the
emergency rule, and even though the country has been under a military
dictatorship for the past 8 years or so, the Pakistanis understandably rate
the unelected leadership they suffer, with a 4 on the scale of elected
representatives. Huh? Does this make sense, even?


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