King Abd�ullah: Was this smart? |
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ZEA J
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Says who? |
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Israfil
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Here are short clips of the meeting: http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=70288&feedType =VideoRSS&feedName=TopNews The problem with politics and political leaders is, despite the reality, there is always room to show off how much money you have. I'll admit, the sword looks nice and I'm sure its value could feed millions. I again echo my sentiments before: regardless whether this man performed his gestures out of sincerity, or to discuss the current filipino workers in Saudi Arabia this man's actions will seem to be a reflection of all Muslims. The world at this point does not care whether real Muslims exist. The world right now sees negative actions as an indicator of Islam as a religion. This man [King Abd'ullah] actions will not be considered a peaceful symbolic gesture. |
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The title "King" or "monarchy" itself has no bearing in Islam that is prevalent in many so-called Muslim nations; it goes against the sacred institution of Islamic rule. A true Muslim always likes to see what Islam tells in any matter so that he or she could follow laws set therein. |
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Chrysalis
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I dont know whether it was smart or not . . . I simply think that we're thinking too deeply into the issue. The issue here is whether or not the King bieng a muslim head-of-state, hence kinda representing his fellow muslim countrymen should be entertaining a Pope who has such distorted views of Islam, or not. Pope Ratzinger was very vocal abt his negative opinions, which were factually/historically incorrect, and was propogating those beliefs. . .
I think giving a sword as a gift has something to do with Saudi or Arabic traditions. Swords have great cultural symbolism there, hence gifting one was probably a cultural thing. Whn a ruler gifts someone a sword, it probably expresses the peaceful/friendly intentions of the country. Thats all.
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Well, does anyone remember what the medievel Catholics did to the remnant Moriscos in post islamic spain, and who was welding the sword that destroyed the tolerant, most enlightened civilization of the times? It wasn' t the Muslims that destroyed a culture that was thriving with Muslims, christians and Jew living in harmony!
If It looks like as if the king being called on the carpet by the Pope to talk A Vatican statement said "the presence and hard work of Christians (in Saudi Arabia) was discussed" -- seen as a clear reference to the Vatican's concern over the Christian minority. Vatican sources said before the meeting that they expected the Pope to raise his concern over the situation of Catholics and other Christians in Saudi Arabia. The Vatican wants greater rights for the 1 million Catholics who live in Saudi Arabia, most of them migrant workers who are not allowed to practice their religion in public. Well they dont let schoolgirls wear hijab at school either In France! [/QUOTE] |
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I remember one Student of Islam was asked
Why can't you build or have churches in Saudi Arabia? he answered: can you have Mosques built in the Vatican? no was the answer, so he replyed: Saudi Arabia is like the Vatican but it's just a little bit bigger! |
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Edited by Chrysalis - 11 January 2009 at 1:06pm |
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Comparing Saudi Arabia with Vatican is like comparing apple with orange! Who would need a mosque in Pope's offices which is Vatican with hardly any Muslim employed there? The mosque should be center of the community of believers and not a shell for show! Essentially all dignitaries, priests, nuns, guards, and the approximately 3,000 lay workers live outside the Vatican! The place is smaller than our shopping mall covering less than 3/4 of a sq. mile! Only commonality might be their establishment time frame of mid twenties of last century when Vatican got the independence from Italy and Saudi Arabia a payoff in helping the destruction of Caliphate! The question for the Saudi Arabians is that why do you hire people of Christen / Catholic or Hindu religions if don't plan to let them fulfill the demands of their faiths? If they were few in numbers is one thing but with million plus presence the pretense doesn't make sense! Unless of course if the contract states upfront that they forgo the part but you know these Filipinos are hard core Catholics! Don't forget the neo colonials won't let you learn or practice the true Islamic faith in your land after they demolished the Khilafah and Saudi Arabia was set up! So what gives? Edited by Sign*Reader - 07 June 2008 at 11:08pm |
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