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Servetus
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One of the things that I fail to understand about your political theory, Sawtul, if I have read it correctly, is this: if Iran is covertly acting as America�s and thus, by extension, Israel�s ally, why is such a prominent and influential neo-conservative and Zionist activist as Norman Podhoretz imploring this Administration to take military action against President Ahmadinejad? When, for another instance, AEI�s Thomas Donnelley writes essays against the potentially appeasing �realists� (school of thought in American foreign policy) and describes a nuclear Iran as a security threat because it would impede the Bush Doctrine of, among other things, waging wars �preemptively� in the Middle Eastern region, would you have us accept that he is acting as little more than a disinformation agent? I don�t understand. Serv ____________________ I am convinced that Democracy is a conspiracy designed to thwart my political will to power. |
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Whisper
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One of the things that I fail to understand about your political theory, Sawtul, Uncle, our Prophetius descends upon his peasants, with a package of some predictions, never with any political theory. |
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Sawtul Khilafah
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Sorry I didn't respond to this post (I missed it) but if you read what I've written carefully you'll find the answer (that is the whole point, they want people to think that they are enemies so they tell us that they are planning a war with Iran, something that they been saying for nearly 30 years). |
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Daniel Dworsky
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Both these statements are false:
Iran is building a 30 Billion dollar cultural and recreation centre for its Jewish people. That's just silly. 30 billion? Iran hasn't used that much money to run the entire Persian Army for the last four years. Israel has murdered hundreds of thousands of Lebanese and Palestinians As an Israeli I have a lot to answer for but in all our wars combined there hasn't been (thank God) 100.000 casualties Casualties in Arab-Israeli Wars Israeli War of Independence 1948-1949 -----------Combat Forces------- losses Egypt-------300,000------------ 2,000 (Trans)Jordan -60,000-------------1,000 Syria--------300,000-------------1,000 Israel--------60 000-------------6,373 The Sinai Campaign of 1956 Britain----------2000---------------2 0 Egypt--------300,000-------------3,000 France----------1,000---------------1 0 Israel--------175,000---------------231 The Six Day War1967 Egypt--------400,000------------10,000 Iraq---------250,000------------- 2,000 Israel--------200,000---------------776 Jordan--------60,000--------------5,000 Syria---------300,000--------------1,000 Yom Kippur War 1973 Egypt---------400,000--------------5,000 Iraq-----------400,000--------------5,000 Israel--------- 200,000 --------------2,688 Jordan ---------60,000 --------------1,000 Syria----------350,000--------------8,000 Among others my sources are: Jane's weekly. As you may or may not know The English are famous for being anti-Zionist as well as anti- Semitic Edited by Daniel Dworsky |
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Tom123
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Hi Daniel, Robert Fisk in his book Pity the Nation writes that at least 100,000 Lebanese people died during the 1980s war in Lebanon. While Syria and the Palestinians too played a role in the bloodshed, the Israeli army and its allied Phalange were responsible for a large part of the atrocities. All of the casualties you cite are military, most of the casualties I was referring to were civilians. I don't think Fisk is an antisemite (I mean anti-Jewish in this case), he cracks down equally hard on the Palestinians, Lebanese Christians&Muslims, Syrians, Iranians and Americans for their role in this bloodshed. I personally don't think that you personally should be held responsible by anyone for the IDFs crimes. You are an outspoken advocate of human rights and have suffered for standing up for what is right. Many people on this forum who criticize Israel probably haven't made the sacrifices you made to help Palestinians. I would personally never blame Jews or Israelis as a people for the abuses committed by some of their countrymen, just as I wouldn't go around blaming all Muslims for the acts of mass murderers like Suharto or Osama bin Laden. Cristo Vive! - Tomasz |
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Daniel Dworsky
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Exactly the point I was making.
100,000 people lost over 30 years is bad enough. To say that 100,000 same people were murdered by Israel is what I took issue with. It's ridiculous |
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Tom123
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You are correct Daniel. I was wrong and I apologize. The victims of Israeli actions range in the tens of thousands. And Israel is not the only human rights abuser in the Middle East. Cristo Vive! - Tomasz |
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Servetus
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Regarding your above post, Sawtul, I have read plenty of your entries and I still don�t have a very clear answer to my question. Let me take another approach. I am interested. Would you say that you agree, disagree or remain neutral with the following somewhat lengthy excerpt from Vali Nasr�s book, The Shia Revival? �What The same constellation of regional forces that resisted Khomeini�s challenge will probably resist this one. Although the context and ideologies at play are different now, the national interests at stake are the same. The battle lines in By seeking to rouse sectarian conflict, Sunni extremists are filling more or less the same role that the alliance between Serv Ref: Nasr, Vali, The Shia Revival, W. W. Norton & Company, |
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