Is Jesus God?

asep48garut60 wrote: 2Acts wrote: asep48garut60 wrote: Dear Saved, I didn�t say �God may have sons by the tons as you mentioned�, I even deny that God has a son, even me explain to you what is stated in John 5:27 that there is the same understanding with the statement in the Quran 4: 171, Koran 5: 116-120 that Jesus is the son of man, not a son of God. You said �Theses titles concerning Jesus need to be looked at in the context of all the gospel. You cannot take one phrase and created a doctrine. � Therefore, I've read the contents of some of the Gospels, and I found a lot of contents aren't equal between one to another. do I need to prove? Regards, Asep Yes. You need to prove ! Dear 2Acts, Here are some evidence that I read: 1. Which one is true, 8 years or 18 years? "Jehoiachin was eight years old when he became king, and three months and ten days he reigned in Jerusalem. He did evil in the sight of God. "(The Book of 2 Chronicles 36:9) "Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he became king, and he reigned three months in Jerusalem. His mother's name Nehusta bint Elnathan, from Jerusalem. "(The Book of 2 Kings 24:8) 2. Which one is right, God or the Devil? "Rise wrath of God against Israel; He incited David against them, He say, 'Go, count the people of Israel and Judah.' "(The Book of 2 Samuel 24:1) "Devil stood up against the people of Israel, and persuaded David to number Israel." (The Book of 1 Chronicles 21:1) 3. Verse unreasonable "And Shem and Japhet took a garment, and put on their shoulders, and walked retreat to the back and cover up his father naked and their faces turned their father in order not to see the body of their father were nude. And Noah awoke from hangover, he know what has been done by his two sons ". (Genesis 9: 23-24) Does God send Noah (a prophet) behaves like that? Could this fraud committed Jews to mislead the Christians? And many others. Regards, Asep

Hi Asep
The contradictions are easily explained. The Bible and Quran make different claims about them selves. The Bible is more like your hadith. It does not claim to be some kind of absolute literal WORD straight from God. Instead it claims to be the INSPIRED Word of God written by imperfect men. Basically it means �God breathed�. (2 Timothy 3.16)
The Bible was written by human beings -men. Imperfect men who had the breath of God upon them. Men who were imperfect but yet were inspired. Any error in scripture is limited to the shortcomings of the vessel and not the message. Any such errors are limited and have no bearing on the ultimate message of the scriptures. The Scriptures are always right only in fulfilling their primary purpose: revealing God, God�s vision, God�s purposes, and God�s good news to humanity. The Bible�s message is directly inspired by God, and though he used human vessels to transport this message it remains accurate and trustworthy.
However look at the Quran. Unlike the INSPIRED Bible - It is supposed to be the direct, absolute, literal, perfect WORD of God. But it has many problems and contradictions. The direct literal perfect WORD of GOD must not have problems and contradictions. Here are some examples-
Contradictions �
Who suffers loss if Muhammad was wrong?
Sura 34:50 commands Muhammad to say, "If I go astray, I go astray only to my own loss," which is a severe factual error in the Qur'an as well as contradicting the teaching of the Qur'an in a number of other verses.

Allah, Adam, and the Angels.
There are a great number of problems and inconsistencies between the several accounts of Adam's creation, Allah's command to prostrate before Adam, Satans refusal, etc.

Who Was the First Muslim?
Muhammad [6:14, 163], Moses [7:143], some Egyptians [26:51], or Abraham [2:127-133, 3:67] or Adam, the first man who also received inspiration from Allah [2:37]?

Can Allah be seen and did Muhammad see his Lord?
Yes [S. 53:1-18, 81:15-29],
No [6:102-103, 42:51].



Ridiculous �
The Quran says Soloman spoke with ants. O ants! Enter your dwellings, lest Sulayman and his armies should crush you, while they perceive not.
Sura 27:18-19
But ants do not communicate in a sophisticated manner as to say.

Sura 18:85-86 reveals that the Sun sets in a muddy pool.
This is ridiculous!

Throwing Stars at the Devils?
The stars were created by Allah as missiles to throw at the devils? In order to not let them eavesdrop on the heavenly coucil? Not exactly a "scientific" world view.
Sura 37.6-8

This is all just ridiculous and an example of how the writer of the Quran did not understand the facts of science. Regarding the behaviour of Noah. Do I think a prophet should behave like that ? Perhaps. Noah was just a man. Nothing more. He was not perfect. What about Mohamad. He ordered his men to piece his enemies eyes with hot nails ! (Sahih Bukhari). Is that how a prophet should behave !?

Dear Saved,

Yes, it's good to talk but if there are opinions or reasons that are not the same, we must mutually accept any such differences. I just ordered by Allah to convey, and which will assess only Allah, as mentioned in the Quran (13):40. "..., then indeed the task you just to deliver, and We who calculate their charity."

Regards,
Asep

Well you wouldn't recognise God if he was standing in front of us, we see what we want to see and we do what we want to do, that is why we have the world we have today.

Budain wrote: I have trouble believing that the Pope is an infallible leader of the catholic church on earth. Is there an infallible leader of the muslim faith?

Greetings Budain,

The Muslims don't believe in the infallibiility of anyone except the Prophets and Messengers as God Al Mighty protected them from all sins. However due to their inherent human nature they were prone to make mistakes and some of them did commit sins like Adam (alaihi Salaam) eating from the forbidden tree and Moses (alaihi Salaam) killing the man, yet Allah (swt) forgave them. Moses (alaihi Salaam) committed a sin before Prophethood was bestowed on him.

Once they are honored with Prophethood and their ministry as a prophet begins then they are completely protected from all kinds of minor and major sins.

However, the Shia Muslims, particularly those belonging to the Ithna Ashari (Twelver) thought do believe in the infallibility of Imams who descended from the Prophet through his daughter Fatima (alaihi Salaam). There are other Shias who don't agree to that like majority Sunni Muslims therefore this is a view of a minority among the Muslims.

Allah (swt) knows best.



Edited by syed_z - 29 November 2016 at 8:51pm