No One in America is Safe

 

Now, let me ask you this, do tell were you ever in Afghanistan? Before the war and everything? Just curious..[/quote]

Nope.  However, I have had students who were refugees from this area, and read numerous accounts regarding the totalitarian rule. 

 

Because you are wrong. They had laws. .and a sytem of governance, etc. Now you may not have liked it but they had some.

Oh, another Taliban apologist.  You condone how they behave, and follow their "laws." but we should change our laws to accommodate immigrants.

To this Western mind, yes they did have laws, but were lawless and violent in many regards.  Rape, honor murder, maimings, executions without trial or representation.  There is a huge amount of documentation, and the following is a small portion:
http://www.rawa.org/h-kill.htm
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/11/22/ret.wh.taliban.attrocities/index.html

And we never did go in there to help the Afghanis.. if so we would have done what Greg Mortenson has done and build schools, in stead of bombing it back further than the stone age (after the Russians).

We sure did not.  However, there was a huge outcry regarding the Taliban which many reporters covered.  Too bad the women still do not have a fair shake.

It was and is a tribal culture. And they have rules.. you may not know them but they do.  Having been in northern Pakistan, people have rules, they are quite capable of running themselves, have done so for thousands of years. And no, they don't really need your help. Though they'd like us to stop killing people.

Sure, like aiding and abetting those who murder civilians, and this includes Muslims.  Look at the massacres in Pakistan by these tribes.  How about Bhutto?

 

And we did not go into Iraq and make it all seem fine.. but you watch and see who ultimately gets control of those oil fields.. where that revenues goes. We did not like it when those countries nationalized the oil and we won't let them do it now.

We generally do not approved of any nationalization, although many on this site believe that we do.  I hope the Iraqis benefit from the oil production, and that we will geopolitically benefit as well.

 

It  is interesting that for alot of people in other areas, I've ben to PAkistan they want to know who is this "Al Queda." They think it is all in America's own head..a boogie man enemy to justify its tactics.

Are these people literate.  Can they freely associate and view various web sites.  Pakistan is under Musharrif, and is basically under marshal law.  He jailed the secular lawyers and civil servants.

 

And its weird you think that they are "on the run" as if it okay to attack a country that did not invade or attack you.. How is this different than colonization?

Again, they were aided and abetted by the Taliban.  We had every right to attack Afghanistan after Al Quaeda targeted and murdered nearly 3,000 civilians.

 

And have you lived in a wat zone?

No, but my mother grew up during the WWII bombing of Plymouth.  Many friends and family were blown to bits.

Do you think that it is easier to live in chaos? And originally when the Kurds rose up in the 90s after the Guld war we did not back them. We jusy invaded later at our own whim..

No, we did not back the Kurds. and it was not just a whim.  Bush went to the UN, and to Congress.  We had/have other partners in this Iraqi endeavor.  Hussein was a bad guy, but now is gone.

would we like it if China did that to us???

China probably does plan to do this to us, except, they will probably go for total, unrestrained warfare, and poison, as well as bomb us.

 

Have you ever been to these regions.. just curious

No, just read and watched Globe Trotter regarding various Middle-Eastern lands.   Have known several people who worked their as contractors, instructors, and simply refugees.

   

Ugle American.. yes there was a certain view by Europeans. But the IDEAL of America was very prominant with people. It STOOD for something in the eyes of the average person around the world.  It was a sign of hope and betterment.

We do hope for freedom and democracy for those living under totalitarian rule, especially when the rulers threaten us, as Iran has rhetorically done on numerous occasions.
Not really.  I encountered much of this "Ugly American" b.s. when traveling to France during the 60's.  Yuk!  Parisians can be very arrogant and nasty.