Will anyone defend Islam?

At experential, if someone cause mischief(injury or harm), definitely I will fight to stop him from causing mischief, talking abour tax, Surah Al Baqarah ch 2 v 280-Allah says give ample time to pay back to the person who u have give some debt, if he can't and if u forgive him that will b good for u.so Allah is saying if u forgive u will b blessed, pay attention to my words, I said I will fight to stop him from causing mischief not with the intention of causing harm to him.the ultimate goal of islam is "peace".

Edited by NABA - 27 July 2013 at 2:04am

Servetus wrote: I just sent Experiential a link to an article in the rather mainstream New York Times, entitled "Jesus and Jihad." Read it often and you will.

My first reaction is .  Not so much that Christians might imagine their God like that (I know many of them do), but more that they would find it in any way entertaining or "Glorious".

But let's keep in mind two important differences: one, that this is a work of fiction (I might say fantasy); and two, that God is the jihadist here, not Christians.  It may be a bit unsettling that some Christians indulge in such fantasies, but it's really none of my business.

Although the word, jihad, isn't overtly mentioned, here, and though it is a bit dated, is another example of many an article of its type which could be cited as proof. It is another mainstream media report, appearing in the New York Times, this time of cleric John Hagee having gone up to Washington D.C. to inform us of what "God's foreign policy" is. It should not be too surprising to note that, to him, God's policies and those of AIPAC are essentially indistinguishable. AIPAC, in consequence of the good Christian's announcements, has practically beatified the passively militant cleric. If you want to read the fatwah, it is here: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/14/washington/14israel.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Although I don't necessarily agree with Hagee's politics (much less his religion), I'm not sure I would describe him as a jihadist.  Why would you call him that?  Because he supports Israel's right to exist?  Because he wants to see Hezbollah (a terrorist organization by most standards) defeated?  Because he has faith that his God also wants those things?

No doubt Christians commit atrocities, but they rarely do so explicitly in the name of God.  They do not shout the equivalent of "Allah akbar!" as they saw through their enemies' necks.  That is the kind of behaviour that demeans Islam, and that is what good Muslims cannot afford to remain silent about.

(P.S.: Sorry for the delay in replying.  Life intervened.)

Edited by Ron Webb - 29 July 2013 at 4:14pm

Thanks for the link Servestus.

I think I�ll stick with the Bible rather than the ''Glorious Appearing,''

There is no need to apologize for delays, Ron, given that life tends to intervene in my case rather often as well. In fact, it has. I will try to return to this topic when I can, but, in the meantime, something to ponder.

Ron Webb wrote: ... Why would you call him [Hagee] that?� Because he supports Israel's right to exist?� Because he wants to see Hezbollah (a terrorist organization by most standards) defeated?� Because he has faith that his God also wants those things?

Not exactly, though parts of the above are included. Noticeably absent from your list of possibilities is Palestine's so called "right" to exist. Just last week the European Union decided to enforce its own laws, including some Geneva Conventions, I should think, by restricting trade with those entities with ties to the so called "settlements." That was surprisingly resolute. I (rhetorically) wonder if and when the USA, Israel's Siamese twin, will ever do the same?

When you refer to Israel, I would ask you: which one? Are you referring to the Israel of the present or are you referring to Eretz, that is to say Greater Israel, from the Nile to the Euphrates, as that Greater Israel appears, for example, on old Irgun (not exactly an organization of pacifistic Boy Scouts, it might be worth mentioning) maps and as envisioned by plenty of the expansionists presently "squatting," to use a euphemism, on disputed territories? Those squatters are engaged in what is sometimes called an "ideological struggle," which ideology is based upon Judaism, and which struggle I think is analogous to a jihad, a Jewish jihad. The flapping wings of the butterfly is in this case causing a typhoon. Pop some corn because this I will try to demonstrate when once I return to this board and to my keyboard. Though we may go somewhat far afield in the discussion, I also intend to bring it back round to Hagee and show how he and others of his type, including, especially, Pat Robertson, are passively militant Christian jihadists, engaged in a "struggle," with very real and concrete consequences, which often masquerades as an end-times apocalyptic agenda.



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Edited by Servetus - 01 August 2013 at 8:11am