Why building a mosque near "ground zero" is bad

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   Kdreeze,

   I agree with your post. Whether or not the American people really feel that building the mosque 600 feet from Ground Zero is "disgraceful" or a "slap in the face to people who still mourn from that terrible day," that is the impression that is being perceived.

   And the more the Imam Rauf and the builders say they will not alter their plans and absolutely insist on building at 51 Park, the stronger that impression gets. 

Larry

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Larry Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Joined: 16 April 2010 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 632	Post Options Post Reply Quote Larry Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 October 2010 at 9:13pm
	Kdreeze, I agree with your post. Whether or not the American people really feel that building the mosque 600 feet from Ground Zero is "disgraceful" or a "slap in the face to people who still mourn from that terrible day," that is the impression that is being perceived. And the more the Imam Rauf and the builders say they will not alter their plans and absolutely insist on building at 51 Park, the stronger that impression gets. Larry

Gibbs Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 29 April 2009 Status: Offline Points: 939	Post Options Post Reply Quote Gibbs Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 October 2010 at 9:45pm
	Larry the question was simple. Religion has everything to do with how we view the world. If the Cordoba house was being built by Christians this would receive much less publicity. I ask you as a christian because perhaps your christian values can offer some sociopolitical insight to the dilemma Edited by Gibbs - 28 October 2010 at 3:37pm

Reepicheep Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 06 November 2006 Status: Offline Points: 324	Post Options Post Reply Quote Reepicheep Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 October 2010 at 10:22am
	Kdreeze wrote: But do you think that America and this whole debate could be easily settled if the decision was made to just not build the mosque? That, I think, is the logical and morally correct solution to this problem. If, on the other hand, muslims instead choose to follow the illogical and morally incorrect solution of continuing to demand that the mosque be built, then I think that this will be revealing to us "kuffar" a very valuable lesson about how muslims think, and how kuffar can expect to be treated if muslims ever become the majority in the USA or Canada. Edited by Reepicheep - 28 October 2010 at 10:23am

abuayisha Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Muslim Joined: 05 October 1999 Location: Los Angeles Status: Offline Points: 5105	Post Options Post Reply Quote abuayisha Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 October 2010 at 11:28am
	".......If, on the other hand, Muslims instead choose to follow the illogical and morally incorrect ...." A straw man argument if ever there were one; illogical and morally incorrect to who? How about if homosexuals choose to follow an "illogical" and "morally incorrect" demand for the right to legally marry; should they ever become the majority in the USA or Canada what would that reveal? By the way, "kuffar" in the way in which you are using the term is incorrect. A "kuffar" is someone who knows and accepts Islam to be truth, yet follows another path anyway. Those who have their own faiths, or haven't any knowledge of Islam, are simply - Jews, Christians, agnostic, or other, not kuffar. Muslims proselytize, however there is no compulsion upon acceptance - fear not.

Reepicheep Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 06 November 2006 Status: Offline Points: 324	Post Options Post Reply Quote Reepicheep Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 October 2010 at 11:53am
	abuayisha wrote: illogical and morally incorrect to who? If you feel that the logical and morally correct thing to do is build the mosque, no matter what the consequences or how offensive non-muslims find the mosque to be, then I encourage you to do your best to build the mosque. By building the mosque, muslims will be sending a very powerful message to non-muslims. I encourage you to carefully reflect on whether that message portrays muslims and Islam in a positive or a negative light. *************** abuayisha wrote: kuffar is someone who knows and accepts Islam to be truth, yet follows another path anyway.** I've been told many times, on muslim forums, that I "know" islam is true, yet I choose to ignore the truth and continue to be a Christian. I fail to understand the "logic" behind this claim. Let's assume I "know" islam is true. I therefore know that, by continuing to follow Christianity, I am condemning myself to an eternity in hell. Why on earth would I, or any sane person, do such a thing???

abuayisha Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Muslim Joined: 05 October 1999 Location: Los Angeles Status: Offline Points: 5105	Post Options Post Reply Quote abuayisha Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 October 2010 at 1:53pm
	"If you feel that the logical and morally correct thing to do is build the mosque, no matter what the consequences or how offensive non-muslims find the mosque to be..." I must say Reepicheep, you certainly have a way with words. Why speak in such absolute terms? Why would you think all non-Muslims believe as you do? Your rhetorical question is flawed. "Why on earth would I, or any sane person, do such a thing???" Good question Reepicheep.

Kdreeze Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Starter Female Joined: 26 October 2010 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote Kdreeze Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 October 2010 at 3:34pm
	I'm not going to lie, I know slim to nothing about the Islamic faith or what a "kuffer" still means. But I respect that faith just as much as I do any religion. But why does the mosque being built have to be a religious debate too? Lets take religion out of this whole equation and how much would the argument change? Would opposition increase or decrease?

Gibbs Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 29 April 2009 Status: Offline Points: 939	Post Options Post Reply Quote Gibbs Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 October 2010 at 3:40pm
	I don't get this discussion you guys are having. What is the point?