Women against men

First of all Mr Islamicity moderator. I dont recall saying to her she has done zina as i know the punishment for that.

secoundly when i said children should be married before 18 say at 14 then she claimed thats was paodphilia. You didnt find anything wrong in that. Demostrates either your  extreme lack of knowledge of Islam or your lack of love of the Sunnah. Why do i say lack of love for the sunanh. because the prophet saw encouraged girls and boys to get married at a very young age. So much that He even  had  married a 14 yr old boy get married. So when she is attacking me she is atatcking the Prophet saw. yet your love for this sister is far greater than your love for the Prophet saw.

And we know what the khalifah Umar did to the man who refused teh judgement of the Prophet saw. He choped his head of and even Allah sent down verses appoving Umars action.

 Under the Khailafh of Umar What would be the lot of  the  Islamicity moderators for allowing the sunnah of the prophet saw to be blaphemed in such a way and even threatening the ones who talk about this sunnah,

So for those who have  grown up in such a society he/she has to be careful that what she was brought up with is not against her deen.

And what is your society? This can be said of yours as well..

And what is anyone's definition of feminisim? How you define it may be different then mine.

What about cultural maichismo... I have been to Islamic places.. you can meet all types of men, some who do not accept the inherent value of women. The right to be educated, the right to be of value as a human being. This is often tied into economics more then anything. But facing men who think that women are dumb, weak or incapable is cultural. You find me a place where it says this in any Quran or Sunnah?  The Quran and Sunnah addresses this in many places- the rights of women. Why did it have to do so? Because some men did not and still do not.  

I had a dialgue with someone from your web site. He says its important for women to know Quran and the women knew it better then men. You'd think the men ought to know it just as well since both genders are responsible..and men need  to know their duties, less they be corrupted by traditional cultural values.

Allah made all of us.. even those of use not born where you think is appropriate. Allah made the Native American peoples, the Buddhists, the traditional religious peoples in Africa, the Christians, the Jews, the Hindus, etc. You may not understand their way of life, but they are human being nonetheless. Would the Prophet (PBUH) treat others as you have? Accusing all non-Moslems as terrible and sinners. You have never met them! Allah asks us to repect life and no be egotistical. And respecting what Allah has created goes along way.

Maybe the west in your eyes 'went to far'. MAybe so. But for what you represent to be an alternative, attacking them is not the best way to go about being a positive role model. What you demonstrate is a lack of compassion, humbleness, friendliness, and decency. 

I remember when I visited A Moslem country. (And let me tell you, there is pornography, drinking, and other sins there too.)The people welcomed me without pre-judging me. They led by example of kindness, consideration and humbleness. I am not saying you have to agree with people and their actions but look into who they are as a person and see that yes people may be messed up but they still are just people.

I can appreciate that you come from a different place then I. Your family is different then mine. Can I relate to your life? No.  Nor can you probably mine. But a dialogue helps promote understanding and greater insights. I learned alot from my Moslem friends around the globe and actually they learned that not all people here hate Moslems.

My friend calls nonMoslems "lost sheep'.  Consider yourself lucky that you are not living in darkness. You have been giving a blessing by Allah.. Bes to use it wisely.

Jenni if you have a problem with the word obediance. Then please take up with the prophet peace be upon him not me.

If you do not like what he said then your problem with with him.

And we will see what the outcome will be when Allah judges who is corrcet you or the Prophet.

As far as i am concerned i love the messenger of Allah with all my heart and i love every word he said. I am happy with what He said.

Those who are not happy with what he said or ordered then they can challange him in the hereafter.

and for those brothers and sisters who love want Allah to be pleased with them read this (if you want..i cant force poeple to love the prophet.  )...

Allah says:

Indeed Allah conferred a great favour on the believers when He sent among them a Messenger (Muhammad SAW) from among themselves, reciting unto them His Verses (the Quran), and purifying them (from sins by their following him), and instructing them (in) the Book (the Quran) and Al­Hikmah [the wisdom and the Sunnah of the Prophet SAW (i.e. his legal ways, statements, acts of worship, etc.)], while before that they had been in manifest error.(3:164)

Allah says to His Messenger(SAW)

Say (O Muhammad SAW to mankind): "If you (really) love Allah then follow me (i.e. accept Islamic Monotheism, follow the Quran and the Sunnah), Allah will love you and forgive you of your sins. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (3:31)

Allah also says in Surah Al-Hashr

....And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it) , and fear Allah. Verily, Allah is Severe in punishment. (59:7)

Again Allah says:

O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger (SAW), if you believe in Allah and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination.(4:59)

A Muslim has to show total obediance to the Prophet otherwise he or she will have no faith

And Allah says:

But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad SAW) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.

In the next verse Allah again tells his Messenger

Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Obey Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad SAW)." But if they turn away, then Allah does not like the disbeliever's(3:32)

These verses clearly indicate that disobedient to either Allah or His Messenger or both takes one out of Islam.Therefore one has to make shure that they are obediant to Allah and His Messenger.

As for thoese who do not wish to obey the commands of the Prophet peace be upon him such as obeying the husband, treating the wife with kindness then i am free from them and the true muslims are free from them.

We can only advice to an extend such people. If they dont wish to follow the above commadments then Allah then they are the loosers.

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Her we have a clasic case of two reaons were why most of the inhabitants of hell will be women

One is disobediance  of the husband.

As  jenni and lemmese seem to be advocating. Those who wnat to be disobedinat to tehir hsubands all we can do is laugh.

Secound case is being ungrateful to their husbands.

had i said the men use dto be more learned in the Quran. hayfa would have said see how bad u muslim men are you dot let women be educated.  But because i said the direct opposite now she is still not happy. So either way i loose.

And this secound weekness that women have accoring to our Prophet saw in that they are ungarteful to their husbands. The husband works  hard to provide for her she will say u never did anything for me.

So for those sisters who really do want to avoid the hellfire they need to be  make sure they dont fall into these two things. And you should know the reason why you are obedinate is to please ultimnatelly Allah. If the hsuband doesnt give you your righst then should you do in kind? if the hsuband goes to hell for not giveing you your rights do you wnat to go to hell for being disobedinate?

In another comment one of these 3 femanist  was the hated muslim men telling them they shoudl wera hijab,

The beauty of Islam is that the true  Muslim men have gheerah for their wives and for the Sisters in Islam. When some one tells you not to do haram and to do good one should be grateful. 

If some  is going into a burning house and some man grabs her because he knows she will be harmed and possibbly die in the house that is totaly engulfed in fire. Should she not be grateful to the man.

 What if the same man said dopy women and laughed just to see her jumping into the fire. Should she say what a wonderful man he didnt tell me what to do. 

or say both men are there together. One saying dont go there it will harm you and she saying you are a man why u men always telling us what to do. And the secound kind gentel man smiles to her and says yes your right. Dont let no man tell you what to do.

 The same case is with say when soem true muslim brothesr tell a women wera hijab for not weraing it will harm you and may put u in the fire .

And there are other  say why tell her she will only insult you. let her roast in hell.

Or even say yes u are right you shoulnt let men tell you what to wear how dare they (becase he wnts the pleasure of seing her beauty

femanist women lack common sense compared to the non femanist women.

Their attitude is if the man i (by not giveing the women her rights)  disobedinat to Allah then why shouldnt i be disobedinat to Allah (by being disobedinate to my husband).

And not only are they harmful for themslves they are harmful for the Iman of other brotehsr and sisters. They are like achild plating with matches in a house as their ability to reson is less than a childs but their ability to type or speak is alos like the childs ability to strike a match and light a fire. And the child she burns her self and the whole family sleeping  in the house.

They really lacks any common sense. As we have seen from the posts of these 3 poor sisters and it will be impossible to reason with them.

(now can i please get back to my own forum i just came on this to relax lol) 

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