RE: Angela�s Plan |
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Noah
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what an excellent idea this is forum starters. I will participate and i wish you all the best with the project it is as noble as they come. mashaAllah, Jazek Allah khein!
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Whisper
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Whisper, are you really claiming that if someone looks at how defending themselves against America's warmongering presidency, then that person is degrudging and fanciful? Usama, must apologise for being away somewhere in my own world, plus Islamicity didn't notify your post, couldn't respond on time. We must really pity the US with their nose bloodied, in Iraq and also in Afghanistan, the combined plights of their image and of the only gaad they trust! |
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usama
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Whisper, are you really claiming that if someone looks at how defending themselves against America's warmongering presidency, then that person is degrudging and fanciful?
You seem to ignore that America is the world empire forcing its might throughout the world and even forcing its primacy in outerspace. There are plans to make American military expeditionary transports through outerorbital routes so a transport of Special Forces units would fly into the outer atmosphere and back. This would enable them to travel greater distances in shorter time, like circling the earth within an hour. Doesn't that just make you feel warm inside? America is the global empire with 700 military installations and imperial REAL TIME hegemonic designs. Americans today who say 9/11/01 and then follow with invading Iraq, Syria, Iran, Africa, and continue to outspend the world several times over in military spending are liars and hypocrites of the worse kind. And Allah (SWT) has addressed their ilk in His Holy Quran (in translation):
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Let there arise from amongst you a group inviting to all that is good, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and they are the successful ones. Al Imran:104
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Whisper
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If the Iraqis, Afghans, and Somalis maintain the pressure on the American military effort, sooner or later the American ruling class that instigated these wars, will see this whole thing boomerang back to them, in their own backyard. Have wars ever solved anything ever in our history? It seems that Islam has started to teach solving all problems with nothing other than but wars, just since you appeared on this Forum I sincerely, pray for you to heal. |
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crasss
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That plan requires the Iraqi people to be obedient to their ruling class for the next 40 years. That is probably where the plan will go wrong. The Iraqis are not Christians. They don't "believe" that obedience to the ruling class is an obligation, religious or otherwise. This whole thing will backfire. The misadventure of the American ruling class in Iraq, the war's human and economic costs to the American people, will lead to questioning the legitimacy of this ruling class, in the US itself. History might simply repeat itself, depending on how "expensive" the current war on Islam will turn out to be. When the Russians really had enough of the war with the Germans in 1917, they decided to start killing their elite instead of killing the Germans. The Vietnam war came close to stir a revolution in the US, and the war in Afghanistan brought the Soviet Union to its knees. It would be enough that the current war on Islam leads to taxing the wrong people more than they are willing to accept, or that a crash in the dollar empoverishes the wrong group of people, who do not necessarily connect to the idea of "America is the best", such as the Hispanics, to trigger a violent revolt in the US itself. If the Iraqis, Afghans, and Somalis maintain the pressure on the American military effort, sooner or later the American ruling class that instigated these wars, will see this whole thing boomerang back to them, in their own backyard. |
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Duende
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Ruggedtouch wrote:
"I wasn�t aware that the West was robbing the Muslims� of anything. Perhaps you could enlighten us as to what the Muslims� are being robbed of and who is doing the robbing." You might have a less rugged touch if you informed yourself about Muslim's grievances before posting: this is a community here, you'll find several regular posters who can confidently speak for most of us when it comes to standing up for Muslim's concerns. Since you seem to be having some trouble grasping today's reality, here's some information for you. From: "Grand Theft Babylon" by Ann Berg posted at www.antiwar.com "Iraq is on the verge of ceding control of its oil reserves to American and British oil companies. If all goes as planned, the oil giants will have performed the heist of the century. A little-known analysis by Greg Muttitt in November 2005 for Global Policy Forum reveals the breathtaking earnings to be generated by the "production sharing agreements" [.pdf] ready for signing the day Iraq officially forms its new government. These agreements, which in name imply revenue-sharing and state control over the underground assets, in truth are vehicles so skewed in favor of Anglo-American petroleum companies that they have no counterpart in today's oil world. According to Muttitt's conservative estimates, Iraq stands to lose between $74-194 billion in these agreements over the life of the contracts, which will most likely be in effect for 40 years. Instead of the average rate of return of 12 percent generated by most oil field development investments today, these arrangements will net between 42 and 162 percent." You can find more on the ongoing looting of Iraq (and hence thieving from Muslims) being carried out by the Bush administration along with countless private 'contracters' in Iraq at www.alternet.org articles titled: Bush's Petro-Cartel Almost Has Iraq's Oil by Joshua Holland |
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Whisper
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He's now gone to such desperate means as to answer on behalf of other posters. LTHOMWS! Your ultimate dream of being stalked come true. CHLTHOMWS!! |
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Ruggedtouch
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Has anyone else noticed that my own personal stalker is becoming even more desperate and pathological in his attempts to garner my attention? He's now gone to such desperate means as to answer on behalf of other posters. |
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