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JOUBERAR
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Are you worried about who wrote the Torah.
God: According to Jewish tradition, God 'wrote' the Torah. That is to say, God is the author. However, even among most Orthodox, it was a human (usually identified as Moses) who actually penned the parchment. The 'midrash' very fancifully has God actually writing the Torah in very anthropomorphic terms. The point is, that if God is the author, (discounting scribal errors on the part of Moses, human secretary), the book is Divine. Divine authorship means that the text is perfect: no contradictions, no extraneous information, no mistakes. Anything that appears problematic is because of OUR limited understanding. If the Torah seems to contradict scientific knowledge, then either science will be proven wrong, or we do not understand the Bible properly. If the Torah is God's word, then every word and letter has deep meaning. The Torah is eternally valid, and speaks to today as much as it did to our ancestors. This is the traditional approach to Torah study. People: Critical scholarship holds that the Torah is a human document, written over a period of time, by numerous authors. (This explains the apparent contradictions, repetitions, etc.) The Torah is a product of a specific time period, and the Torah (like a pot found at an archeological site) is an article that allows us to peek into a window of how the ancient Israelites lived and what they believed. Even the medieval Rabbis had their doubts about Moses being the sole author (like when the Torah writes, 'and Moses died.') But it was in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries (along with all the other intellectual revolutions) that 'Mosaic/Divine' authorship was seriously questioned. The most famous proponent of this was the Graf/Wellhausen theory called the documentary hypothesis. Using literary style, names of God, and other clues, they identified four strains or sources they called J, E, P and D. This is the scholarly, 'critical' approach to Torah study. Both: We can believe that both God and humans had a 'hand' in writing the Torah. If Revelation means that God revealed (communicated) the Torah to humans, then God AND people share in its writing. God inspired the people who wrote the Torah. That means we can find both God's eternal message, as well as layers of a historical process. (Which is which is sometimes a problem). This approach posits that God 'reveals' divine truth (in a way only known to God) that individual(s) wrote down, or passed down. This may have been much like the composer's or inventor's flash of inspiration. Another possibility is that the Torah is our response to historical events shaped by God's master plan. As modern liberal Jews, we have the option to try and balance both these approaches. Our Torah study can be sensitive the nuances of the text (as if God wrote it) yet aware of the historical processes and analytic tools of scientific criticism. This way we can synthesize both traditional and modern methods of Torah study. No matter what our personal beliefs, two things seem indisputable: the Torah is a record of the ancient Israelites' encounter with the Divine; for thousands of years, Jews have read/studied the Torah as a way of connecting with that Divine voice. So don't even try to blame God for human scribal errors.
OK can you tell me wrote the Quran. |
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JOUBERAR
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Can you be more specific what Muhammad "taught has no match" or can I ask you how would you descride from where does the Quran originated from and on what principalities is the Quran based on?
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islamispeace
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Thank you so much for finally proving my point! You agree then that humans did write parts of the Torah as we have it today (albeit with the unproven assertion that they were "inspired"). My point is proven. Thank you!
As for your question, the author of the Quran is God. It was revealed in stages, but the words were always with God. And as it was revealed, the faithful memorized it, while others wrote it down. Unlike the Bible, there was no human hand in the wording of the text. Its origins are purely from the divine. No words from humans are in the text. They are all God's words. Edited by islamispeace - 15 May 2010 at 2:59pm |
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Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)
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JOUBERAR
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Since when did God write Quran since when please dont try to convince me with your lies, I will take on anybody in the world to proof to them that Quran is not God's word.
No words from humans are in the text.LET SEE WHERE DO YOU CAME UPON IS THIS YOUR OWN OPINION.
Who revealed the Quran to Muhammad nobody but himself lying to the poor old Arabs who simply believed his lies.
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islamispeace
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There are various reasons, including the fact that there exist no contradictions in the Quran. If a human had written the Quran, eventually discrepancies and contradictions would have arisen. We found no such examples. Second, the Quran challenges those who deny its origins to produce just three verses like it. Those familiar with Arabic know exactly what the challenge is talking about. Historically, Arabic literature and poetry has been classified along 16 styles, all of which can be imitated. However, scholars agree that the Quran is a style of its own. Nothing before it or after it in the entire history of the Arabic language has imitated the Quran's literary style. That is proof that the author was not any man, but God. The Bible on the other hand has been redacted (as you admitted) by man. |
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Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)
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JOUBERAR
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You say Allah wrote the Quran where is the book that Allah wrote the original Quran where is the "pen" come where is the "pen" Muhammad said the first thing that Allah created was a pen and then second Allah must have created a book so that he can wrote in it and called it the Quran where is that book that Allah have wrote you say it yourself that the author is God now for 4500 years God have withheld the Quran from the jews and everyone on earth and 600 years after Jesus Allah decided it is now time and He must give this wonderfull book that he kept 4500 years back He must now give to Muhammad this book is flawless no faults no contradictions and so on no hatred and the most peacefull religion on earth.
Right then who was the first muslim?
Where is Allah's Quran?
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RESPONSE TO JOUBERAR:
It is with Allah as it says in 85:21-22: "Nay, this is a Glorious Qur'an, (Inscribed) in a Tablet Preserved!"
The Quran did not have anything that was not in the previous scriptures. It delivered the same message that was found in the previous books, which by the way are also with God. But its revelation became necessary after the Jews and Christians corrupted the previous scriptures, which you have admitted.
YES! Your point?
Obviously, since Adam was the first human, he was the first Muslim.
Man, you are all over the place! You only need to ask the question once. I am not like you that I need to be asked the same question over and over again! |
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I dont like your funny icons and I am not all over the place you can not tell me who wrote the Quran I want soilid proof of who wrote Quran Allah or humans eg muslims, how can Adam be first muslim if he didn't had a copy of Quran and what about angels they also must be..........}
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