Islamispeace-Is Muhammad the Promise Seed

Shibboleth wrote: We did reveal the Torah (Tawrat), wherein is guidance and a light ... Q5:44

 Torah was the guide, of course, but prior to the Quran!This verse suggests clearly that the Quran has superseded the Torah.

Shibboleth wrote: Can Muhammad really be guided when something is corrupt or untrue?

 Muhammad is not guided by Torah but he is guided by Holy Quran.Quran corrects your Holy Bible.

 

 

Shibboleth wrote: It  is not logical to put the cart before the horse. Did the egg lay the chicken too? Of course not, the chicken laid the egg first. I just showed you the text and guess what the oldest portion of the Bible the Torah, predates all of the worlds other religious writings, it dates back to the 15 and 16 centuries B.C.E. The Quran is the youngest (Baby) compared to even the Hindu and Buddhist writings which also claimed to be inspired.  But, the burden of proof is on the Bible, the oldest and original inspired writing of God, yea right! Now that�s funny.

 Oldest doesnot mean authentic and reliable.Anyway you are failed to show me who is the original author of Genesis?I have shown you how Biblical scholars(liberal) doubt its authorship.The Book which is not sure about its author cannot be taken word of God.

Shibboleth wrote: If you cannot show me a Geneses account that says otherwise, again you just have accusations with out any proof of your statements  that is all that I�ve been getting from a religion that claims to be from God. All I hear is that it dis-agrees with the Quran, YOU BET! You can make accusations about Geneses but that doesn�t change anything at all. It just confirms you have nothing to back up your false-statements.

 And i challenge you to response my claims:

 1) Who is the author of Genesis?

 2) Produce its original manuscript not copies of the copies.

 

Tisk! Tisk! islamispeace. You wanted to open up separate topics which we did, but you were unable to defend your piece on both issues! Instead you run again with your tail between your legs and take the easy way out, remaining silent on both issues. Everyone screams from the top of their lungs that Muhammad is the promise seed of Abraham when the Torah says it's Jesus, yet you or anyone else have no clue as to some of the first prophecies concerning the true promise seed of Abraham.

At Genesis 15:13, 14, God told Abram (Abraham): �You may know for sure that your seed (not seeds as you say) will become an alien resident in a land not theirs, and they will have to serve them, and these will certainly afflict them for four hundred years. But . . . after that they will go out with many goods.�


   

Poor little Shibbo just doesn't get it!  It's like trying to make a child understand.  Your pathetic questions were answered, not just by me but by brother Mansoor as well.  You have no way to "prove" any of your rants except through circular arguments and misquotes of the Quran.  Your reliance on the Bible is doomed from the start as you have failed miserably to prove that it is right and the Quran is wrong.  When proof is brought to show you that the Bible is not a reliable document, you accuse Muslims of disbelieving in the Quran (why would that even matter to someone like you who doesn't believe in it anyway??) instead of actually responding to the evidence against the Bible.  Wake up little man!  For once in your life, take that dunce cap off and think clearly!         

Shibboleth wrote: honeto wrote: But shibbo, why would I trust you or your source the Bible to prove anything right ...   To make a statement like that just goes to show how little you really know about your own Quran. Unfortunately, everyone in the Muslim community especially Muhammad used this very source THE HOLY BIBLE that "YOU" and islamispeace don't trust to prove himself as a self proclaim Prophet. So, I agree with the both of you, don't trust a book you don't agree with a "Book" the Quran calls, "the Book of Enlightment" "the Book of God" a Book where "there is guidence and light" because you will only dig yourselves into a deeper hole as you have already done.     I really appreciate how you guys summed it up for us. Muhammad trusted some mysterious angel to believe in a corrupted Book and not to believe in any of Allah's previous Revelations or Prophets. And you still think that so-called "angel" was from the God of Abraham, wow!    islamispeace, I hate to be in your shoes when it's over and done with because you failed miserably, "little man" sounds real good compared to where you will be if you don't repent.   Because The Kingdom of God through Jesus Christ Is Near!

Ohhhh, I'm so scared!!   Empty threats from an empty man...

Yes, you are a "little man" because you are a charlatan who masquerades as an expert, who can't answer questions without diverting to unrelated issues and who can't even defend his own Bible without bringing the Quran into the mix (you truly have to appreciate the irony though!), even though the issue is not about the Quran.  Case in point: there has been plenty of evidence given by myself and others that the Bible is not reliable and has indeed been corrupted by human hands.  Instead of replying to the evidence, your "brilliant" response has always been "oh but the Quran says such and such..."  What does the Quran have to do with this?    Even if what you say is true, what does it do for the Bible?  If what you say is true, then it would make Islam false but it still would not get anyone to become a Jehovah's Witness!  Why?  Because no one in their right mind would believe in a human-edited book and consider it the word of God.  So, the issue still remains and unanswered by you.  The Bible has been corrupted.  The evidence is clear.  Diverting the issue to what the Quran says (which is not what you claim it says) does not answer the question and does nothing to solidify your position.  Once you get that through your head, we can get this latest train wreck of yours going...