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Originally posted by Israfil Israfil wrote:

Why do so many of you turn this into a western culture thing?

I wonder to.  

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Originally posted by Brother123 Brother123 wrote:

Asslamualikum,

It seems westren non-muslim thought makes women think that men are the enemy and they have to continously  challange and compete with men. And whilst doing  loose much of her own self in term of femininity and ealy marriage. 

Is this disease also seems to be  gaining ground amongst Some Muslimahs?

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whats with the aggression brother123..try a bit of reasoning and compassion...you're hissing with venom and i havent even read the second page yet

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Originally posted by Israfil Israfil wrote:

Why do so many of you turn this into a western culture thing?

Good question. I can't help wondering why you didn't ask that earlier. 

 

As for  your question, people round the world are bedazzled by the Western success and hope to duplicate it in their own countries by blindly copying Western values and culture. In that respect, influence of Western culture among the Muslims becomes significant and very much relevant.

 



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And yes, I recently came to know of another type of outsourcing, called Legal Process Outsourcing (LPO), wherein, legal work is outsourced.
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Originally posted by candor candor wrote:

By nature, women are not adapted to work outside home.Even in the WEst, most women don't work outside home(although they have the choice). Therefore, very few "Muslim" women will choose to immorally follow the western way of life and work outside home in defiance of Islamic law (which is in sync. with human nature); and even fewer, will risk losing their head just to work outside home. Thus, they can easily be suppressed.

Candor, where in the Quran or the Sunnah does it state that women working outside the home is in defiance of ISLAMIC law? In case you have forgotten, or just haven't read, the Prophet's first wife Khadija, the first person to accept Islam, owned her own business and the Prophet worked for her until they married. His wife Aisha, who is responsible for memorizing more of the hadith than anyone else, led armies in battle. At the time of the prophet many women followed the men at times of war to nurse and care for them. Where are you getting your Islamic information? 

Perhaps it seems that Muslim women are becoming more outspoken for their rights because many modern Muslim men have chosen to ignore the teaching of Islam and the Prophet and take these rights away.

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Originally posted by candor candor wrote:

By nature, women are not adapted to work outside home.

no they are socialised to not work outside the home..and brother coming from India where many women work in the fields, you should know that we are very adapt to work outside. i have even worked on a construction site carry heavy instrument. so er..wake up..oh and get you facts straight on your own religion.

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Companies in Western countries outsource their work overseas because Western countries like Australia have "evil" things like unions, minimum wages, occupational health and safety laws, sick leave, holiday leave and general rules that mean workers get treated well and not badly.

These cost money. Money well spent because everyone is healthier.

But the companies would rather outsource their work to places that have more workers (you know, like ants - endliess supplies of replaceable people), fewer health and safety rules, lower wages, etc.

See everyone - the West is STILL taking advantage of developing countries, except now it's to the detriment of their own people, instead of to our advantage.

Our industrial relation laws are being changed in Australia so we can make some feeble attempt at being "competitve" with countries that have 15, 50 or even 65 times our population. It will never be possible. And in the meantime, our health and safety work laws will erode, everyone will need 3 jobs just to get by and wages will plummet.

So say farewell to the Western world as we know it - the continuing trend of some countries to breed like rabbits and pay workers chicken feed means that we will also have to lower our standards in many ways and just work until we die. Which will probably be earlier than we do now.

Oh, but I should mention that some companies in developing countries abuse their own people - I was talking to a guy from Bangladesh just recently who made the comment that if he'd have known that the standard of living in Australia was so low, he wouldn't have come here. Obviously he'd had to learn to cook and do his own washing. Poor baby.
His father owns a company in Bangladesh that makes military clothing. They make clothes for a few dollars a piece and sell them for thousands to the US military anf the like. Their workers get paid about 50 cents a day. I asked this guy "Gee - would your father think of paying his workers $1 a day, since he's obviously doing so well?" and his answer was "no, 50 cents is all they need".

I was gobsmacked and am certainly glad I have never met him again. What a pig.


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Originally posted by kim! kim! wrote:

Companies in Western countries outsource their work overseas because Western countries like Australia have "evil" things like unions, minimum wages, occupational health and safety laws, sick leave, holiday leave and general rules that mean workers get treated well and not badly.

These cost money. Money well spent because everyone is healthier.

And where do they get that money from? By selling their products at inflated prices to the underdeveloped countries which are technologically backward and thus, are forced to buy from the West at exorbitant prices.

Quote But the companies would rather outsource their work to places that have more workers (you know, like ants - endliess supplies of replaceable people), fewer health and safety rules, lower wages, etc.

No, that is no longer true. MNC's are outsourcing their work because of better engineering and design skills available, elsewhere (which they find lacking in their country). Do you know The Father of pentium processors, Vinod Dham, is an Indian and there are many other talented people like him in India who are waiting for an opportunity to realize their potential.


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See everyone - the West is STILL taking advantage of developing countries, except now it's to the detriment of their own people, instead of to our advantage.

Not just that, they sell their products back to them at inflated prices. That's why they are going to dump the Western companies and start their own company, once they get the know-how. 


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Our industrial relation laws are being changed in Australia so we can make some feeble attempt at being "competitve" with countries that have 15, 50 or even 65 times our population. It will never be possible. And in the meantime, our health and safety work laws will erode, everyone will need 3 jobs just to get by and wages will plummet.

Its not going to happen that way. First, people would stop buying from you, if they can locally make what they want themselves. By working hard for less money, they are going to manufacture expensive products (which they buy from the West) cheaply, such that, even with their lower wages, they would be able to afford those products (which would have then become cheaper).

Quote So say farewell to the Western world as we know it - the continuing trend of some countries to breed like rabbits and pay workers chicken feed means that we will also have to lower our standards in many ways and just work until we die. Which will probably be earlier than we do now.

Not just that, you deserve to be kicked back to where you all come from.

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Oh, but I should mention that some companies in developing countries abuse their own people

Oh really, you care about us so much!!! And then you denote us interchangeably with ants and rabbits, you don�t consider us human. Wonderful.  

Quote I was gobsmacked and am certainly glad I have never met him again. What a pig.


Kim...

Actually, he is better than you. And you hate him because he threatens your job and not because he treats his workers badly.



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