A Psychological Nightmare

salaams brothers and sisters!

 

Below is yet another challenge for the trinity people.

 

if God.Jesus and the Holy Spirit are ONE in the same EQUAL in everyway , what is the meaning of this!!

 

Matthew 12:32 (New International Version)

³²Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

if the son of man Jesus and the holy spirit are ONE and EQUAL to each other in everyway. Why can one be forgiven for a sin against one and NOT THE OTHER. If they are ONE and EQUAL would not a sin against one be a sin against the other also?

 

i better stop tring to make sence of this. i fear i'll get alzhiemers.

leland

 

Edited by Nazarene - 27 September 2009 at 5:14am

Nazarene wrote: s Matthew 12:32 (New International Version) 32Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. if the son of man Jesus and the holy spirit are ONE and EQUAL to each other in everyway. Why can one be forgiven for a sin against one and NOT THE OTHER. If they are ONE and EQUAL would not a sin against one be a sin against the other also?   i better stop tring to make sence of this. i fear i'll get alzhiemers. leland

Hi,

Well, I will tell you one thing: my mother is my mother (1), my father wife (1), my grand mother daughter (1), her friends friend (1), her neighbours neighbour (1), her colleagues colleague (1), etc...

So let us think in a mathematical way:

Mother (1) + Wife (1) + Daughter (1) + Friend (1) + Neighbour (1) + Colleague (1) =....

Can you give me the answer, please? For me, the answer is 1, because it's the same person everytime, developing different roles.

That's the same with God, we don't mean God is Three in number or in physical way (I am sure I already said all that, but I am not tired of repeating). God is Father (Sense), Son (Heart) and Holy Spirit (Faith), so we don't mean that God is made by three components, we just make difference with each of His roles. Do you understand?

Regarding Matthew's Quote... well, in my Bible it's different:

30 < El que no est� conmigo, est� contra m�, y el que no recoge conmigo desparrama>
31 <Por eso os digo: Todo pecado y blasfemia se perdonar� a los hombres, pero la blasfemia contra el Esp�ritu Santo no ser� perdonada.>
32 <Y al que diga una palabra contra el Hijo del Hombre, se le perdonar�; pero al que diga contra el Esp�ritu Santo, no se le perdonar� ni en este mundo ni en el otro>

Sorry to write it in Spanish, I will try to explain what that means: the meaning of this quote is that God can forgive the men when they are fighting, talking in bad way or bad things, etc. between them, because that's our natural way of being. But He cannot forgive us as human when we do it against Him, against the Holy Spirit or the Faith.

God can save anyone who makes a mistake, but He cannot forgive the worst mistake, which is to reject Him or to talk in bad way about Him.

When it says "The Son of Man", it's talking about the people, humanity, not about Jesus. God understand that people are fighting against each other, because we are equal at the end, but He cannot understand it when we don't respect Him and we insult Him, no matter how we do.

Regards,
Patricia

That's the same with God, we don't mean God is Three in number or in physical way (I am sure I already said all that, but I am not tired of repeating). God is Father (Sense), Son (Heart) and Holy Spirit (Faith), so we don't mean that God is made by three components, we just make difference with each of His roles. Do you understand?

In that case Son of God is metaphorical right? However many Christians take it literally.

Regarding Matthew's Quote... well, in my Bible it's different: -

This is the crux of the problem in Christianity. There are so many different versions that instead of uniting, it is dividing people. There is no 1 Bible that is the same. Some belief in God and Jesus as Prophet, some belief in Jesus as God or Son of God.  God is One. Therefore His Choice of His Holy Scripture should be One too.

God can save anyone who makes a mistake, but He cannot forgive the worst mistake, which is to reject Him or to talk in bad way about Him.

There is a similarity in Islam. The reason why we say the Shahadah - LAILAHA ILALLAH - THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH - is that we are acknowledging that there is no other God worthy of being worshipped but Allah. To reject Him and to accept other than Allah - The Creator of the Whole Universe, is the worst kind of sin. It is like equating Him - The Creator of the Whole Universe with His Absolute Power with another Creation of Him.

When it says "The Son of Man", it's talking about the people, humanity, not about Jesus. God understand that people are fighting against each other, because we are equal at the end, but He cannot understand it when we don't respect Him and we insult Him, no matter how we do.

That is what Christianity is doing to Allah - God of the Whole universe. Not giving due respect to The Being that created the air for us to breathe, the water for us to drink, the food for us to eat and so on. Instead, believing in a Creation of the Creator - Jesus - is showing disrespect to the utmost.



Edited by Nur_Ilahi - 29 September 2009 at 7:00am

Nur_Ilahi wrote:

That's the same with God, we don't mean God is Three in number or in physical way (I am sure I already said all that, but I am not tired of repeating). God is Father (Sense), Son (Heart) and Holy Spirit (Faith), so we don't mean that God is made by three components, we just make difference with each of His roles. Do you understand?

In that case Son of God is metaphorical right? However many Christians take it literally.

I know, and that's a problem. Also, lot of Christians are talking wrong things about our own religion, and giving wrong ideas about it. That's the real nightmare. By my side, when I don't know anything, I accept it and just try to find the right answer. But I have to accept that I don't have all the answers (I wish).

Regarding Matthew's Quote... well, in my Bible it's different: -

This is the crux of the problem in Christianity. There are so many different versions that instead of uniting, it is dividing people. There is no 1 Bible that is the same. Some belief in God and Jesus as Prophet, some belief in Jesus as God or Son of God.  God is One. Therefore His Choice of His Holy Scripture should be One too.

I completely agree with you. But at the same time, the some of the wisest people in Vatican are Spanish, and they are controlling every Bible printed here. Spain is one of the countries where the Catholicism is really a tradition and we keep in our mind most of the traditional ideas (actually, my parents still remember when the Ceremony was said in Latin, just 30 years back). I think that the controls we have in Spain are quite important as to prefer the Spanish version of the Bible (printed) than any other Bible we may find through internet.

God can save anyone who makes a mistake, but He cannot forgive the worst mistake, which is to reject Him or to talk in bad way about Him.

There is a similarity in Islam. The reason why we say the Shahadah - LAILAHA ILALLAH - THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH - is that we are acknowledging that there is no other God worthy of being worshipped but Allah. To reject Him and to accept other than Allah - The Creator of the Whole Universe, is the worst kind of sin. It is like equating Him - The Creator of the Whole Universe with His Absolute Power with another Creation of Him.


I know, that's why I believe our religions are more similar than what we really realize.

When it says "The Son of Man", it's talking about the people, humanity, not about Jesus. God understand that people are fighting against each other, because we are equal at the end, but He cannot understand it when we don't respect Him and we insult Him, no matter how we do.

That is what Christianity is doing to Allah - God of the Whole universe. Not giving due respect to The Being that created the air for us to breathe, the water for us to drink, the food for us to eat and so on. Instead, believing in a Creation of the Creator - Jesus - is showing disrespect to the utmost.

That's your opinion. In my opinion the problem is not with Christianity or Islam, but with people who belong to that religions, and even with the people who are not part of them. We have to make difference between prayers and God, because there is a very big difference.

Salams