Quran - 19: Magic Number |
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JohnDM
Guest Group Joined: 25 March 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 264 |
Topic: Quran - 19: Magic Number Posted: 25 March 2005 at 10:56am |
Cn anyone please explain why the number 19 or multiples of the number
19 are used to form and fashion the Quaran? Thanks |
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MOCKBA
Moderator Group Joined: 27 September 2000 Location: Malaysia Status: Offline Points: 1410 |
Posted: 25 March 2005 at 6:41pm |
The number of 19 or multiples of the number of 19 are NOT used to form and fashion the Qur'aan. There are some deviant groups emphasizing on "mathematical miracles" of the Qur'aan (something like "if you add this and subtract the sum of thats dividing it into half and look at the resulting number's reflection in the mirror... you'll be amazed at how truly miraculous Qur'aan is", or "if you look at the frequency at which this word is repeated and occurrence of its antonym and make their total - you will have 365, which equals the number of days in a year..."). That's mere rubbish, and such theories are not anywhere close to the main message and purpose of the Qur'aan... which is not in numbers. Don't waste time on them. MOCKBA |
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Suleyman
Senior Member Joined: 10 March 2003 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 3324 |
Posted: 26 March 2005 at 12:10am |
Es_Selam'un Aleykum ve Rahmetullahi ve Berakatuh Brother Mockba, Brother,these groups are so far away from Islam that when you ask them about the ayat numbers of the Qur'an adding this to the question:" in which school you have taken the numbers from?";then they look into your eyes like a sheep.They don't know the numbers of the ayats change school to school...as you know, some ayat numbers are different in Kufa School and some others are different in Madina School;then how they can find the connection between each other...Wa Salaam. *After reading these explanations;i wish someone will not come and ask this;What!!,is the holy Qur'an absent in some schools??...NO,i am talking about categorizing the ayats with numbers,in all of these schools,the total ayats are same;but giving the numbers to them is including a difference view with their serious signs which also includes barakah that at least shames the 19 provocators,proves their ignorance..
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JohnDM
Guest Group Joined: 25 March 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 264 |
Posted: 26 March 2005 at 2:00am |
Mere rubbish?
OK, on reading your comment I thought about the measurements of the holy rock, the most bloody sacred rock in the world, the place where rivers of animal blood has been poured since Abraham tried to shed the blood of his son Isaac (in about the year 1836BC), namely the rock in the Dome of Rock, the Islamic shrine, Jerusalem. The maximum length of the rock is 57 feet x a maximum width of 43 feet, hence the length is thrice 19. Now on the BBC radio yesterday they had a person explain why he now knew the date of the crucifixion was Good Friday, April 7th AD30. For he said no other lunar date could be offered up. Assuming you can appreciate this Christian argument, the counting from say when Jesus was being 'crowned' with thorns by the Roman soldiers at about 2:13am Friday, morning, some 7 hours before the process of crucifixion took place, it is 592.273537 years until 12:00am July 16th AD622 and the commencement of Islam's holy calendar. Now the would-be Devil's own reference number is 'female' at 508. And the reference number and area for the Stars and Stripes is 6840 square units at 114 x 60 and equivalent to 57 x 120, times or 190 x 36. So the US flag is that of the Assassins. Curiously, the height of the North Tower of the World Trade Center was 1,368 feet or twice 684, and 684 is not only the reference number for the Stars and Stripes but the great Ancient Egyptian Osiris, the god, King and Judge of the dead. For 684 is made up of an elohim a mighty angel at 323 (17 x 19) + 361 (19 x 19). So now to 43 of the sacred rock at 57 x 43 feet. And the number 430 x 4,300 is twice 924,500 square feet, that is the area covering the four triangular sides of the Great Pyramid. And the volume of the Great Pyramid is 91,575,000 cubic feet and reciprocated is 1.09200109200e-08. Thus the Great Pyramid also has the reference number 109,200 And the Great Pyramid at 109,200 divided by the 27 Ancient Egyptian gods depicted on the 28 finger width divisions of the A.E. cubit of 20.6120 inches, (Horus, the son of Osiris is shown twice) and square root twice and multiplied by the Devil at 508,000 and divided by Osiris at 684 is 592.273537 years. Thus counting backwards from the Islamic calendar, it is the mocking of Jesus Christ as king of the Jews by the Roman soldiers soon after 2am that Good Friday morning, namely April 7th AD30, and some 16 hours before Passover. Thus, the Devil and Osiris were there so to speak in Jerusalem, standing among the soldiers laughing at Jesus Christ. Of course many believe not that such a thinh happened to Jesus, but still the calculation for Good Friday being Good Friday and Passover still stands. I should add that I only did this calculation this morning having been prompted by your comment. Thanks PS And remember the most important thing for humans is TIME. For we are under the control of TIME. And time is of Gravity, the 'grave' so to speak, and the standard value for gravity throughout the Universe is 177,000 miles per second, but that another post. |
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Rehmat
Guest Group Joined: 28 February 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 474 |
Posted: 26 March 2005 at 7:30am |
That explain why your calculation is not much different than the �Did Six Million Die� � Which is also not mention in Holy Qur�an , plus not divisable by 19. Now coming to your calculation from that Zionist website answering-islam � �The first word (Ism) is mentioned in the Quran 19 times, 19x1.� Are you sure about the �Good Friday�? Because several Christian scholars has proven that it was actually �Wednesday! Not Dr. Robber Funk, DDD, who after his six-year Bible study proved that 80% of its so-called �word of God� was actually written by interested human (mostly Jews) to serve their wordily purposes! Let us now see some of OT/NT calculations. For example, the world is 3,786 year old and Jesus could have 45 to 61 �genealogy� to prophet Abraham! OR what number 666 stands for? Pope, Anti-Christ or Henry Kissinger? Because according to �Biblical method of numbering� they all add up to 666! Have a good day! |
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Suleyman
Senior Member Joined: 10 March 2003 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 3324 |
Posted: 26 March 2005 at 8:24am |
If you will mind your brain to the meaning of the holy Qur'an more than fixing the assumptions and the numbers who has no scientific backgrounds,this will be good for you.Of course,you have rights to conducting your words to the board;but if you put mere rubbish words into the dialog then you come across to a rock... The number 19 in the holy Qur'an is one of the big exams came from Allah to the khafirs;also so many other exams are too.Let's look at to the ayats then i will give you some advice who is not mere rubbish! Take care these ayats: Surah Muddaththir: 074.030 074.031 As you have seen from the ayats;making wrong comments on the numbers will cause some serious problems.If i were you,i could not play with the Qur'an before understanding it's background and it's aim to Tawhid...there are more explanations about the issue;but leaving them for your insight on the issue will be more good than covering your four side...please read and think on the ayat again,really a big exam and warning us inside making wrong comments on the ayats.Of course these ayats have also more background inside their explanations;but take the one you belong to,don't bring on to the way you don't know...Wa Salaam... |
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A-Tirawi
Newbie Joined: 26 March 2005 Status: Offline Points: 15 |
Posted: 26 March 2005 at 9:20am |
Mokba in your response you called these people deviants that look to spend there time understanding the Qurans Miracle. These mathimatical perfection are very important, imho, in showing that Quran is not merely a book of no contradictions and life lessons. Its the PERFECT BOOK written by the PERFECT. And so how do we measure this? Well we do this with what is the only thing that is perfect in this world -- mathamatics. This is a language that is totally universal and unchanged. 1+1 can nver =3 I have to admit, there r probably some scam artists out there, but the one i know to be true to his words and a scholar in every sense of the word is Imam Dr. Tariq Al Sweidan. Here is a link for you to check out on it! http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Park/6443/MIQ/stat.ht ml I hope u find it to be enlightening
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Nausheen
Moderator Group Female Joined: 10 January 2001 Status: Offline Points: 4251 |
Posted: 26 March 2005 at 10:14am |
Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem, Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim,
Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullah, Quran is the speech of Allah, the mercy of Allah, the wisdom of Allah. This was given to the creation to understand and reflect. Much of how one is supposed to understand the Quran had been taught by the Prophet (SAW) himself, who was sent as an exempler of this book. In a Hadith Aisha (RAA)reported that his(SAW) entire character was the Quran. We as muslims should make Quran our character, our guide, our means to grow close to Allah subhan wa ta'ala. Can anyone say with certainity that deducing the meaning of number 19 will be of any consequence in the hereafter? Busy yourself for the hereafter, and leave that which does not concern you (your religion) ... this was the essence of the teachings of the Prophet (SAW). Then why is it that we are still busy in fancy curiosities that will not benefit us in the next life? 59:21 Had We sent down this Qur'an on a mountain, verily, thou wouldst have seen it humble itself and cleave asunder for fear of Allah. Such are the similitudes which We propound to men, that they may reflect. Maa salaama, Nausheen
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