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Patty
Senior Member Joined: 14 September 2001 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2382 |
Posted: 15 May 2006 at 2:04pm | |||||
AbRAH said: "Hey George ... it seems to me that you are the one who do very poor homework for you dare not refute all the Biblical verses that I use to prove that the crucifixion of Jesus is a hoax! Why don't you refute all the Biblical verses to prove that you are right? I dare you to refute all the contradictions of the Bible!"
God's Peace, Patty |
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Patty
I don't know what the future holds....but I know who holds the future. |
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Alibaba
Guest Group Joined: 19 April 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 134 |
Posted: 15 May 2006 at 2:18pm | |||||
Actually, I find the very title of this thread to be demeaning to Christianity and contrary to the rules of courtesy on Islamic City. For goodness sake, if we ever put up a thread titled "Mohammed is a Hoax" or something similar it would be deleted immediately. Where is the fairness here Oh monitors?
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Patty
Senior Member Joined: 14 September 2001 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2382 |
Posted: 15 May 2006 at 2:30pm | |||||
I have a question. If Muslims believe that Jesus was a great prophet, why do they not believe the words He spoke? He told of His forthcoming death to His disciples. Do you believe he was lying? And if you do believe He was lying, how could you continue to call a "liar" a great prophet? Jesus spoke the following, "shortly before His crucifixion He said to His disciples, "The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified." John 12:23. The third day after Jesus had died on the cross, God raised Him from the dead, and forty days later, God lifted Him up to glory in the heavens. One day Jesus will return to receive those who belong to Him. 13 "We do not want you to be unaware, brothers, about those who have fallen asleep, so that you may not grieve like the rest, who have no hope. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-14 God's Peace, Patty |
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Patty
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AbRah2006
Guest Group Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 354 |
Posted: 15 May 2006 at 5:02pm | |||||
------------------------------------------------------------ ------ Here are my responses to Alibaba: (1)Let us go back to your calculation : Wednesday evening to Thursday evening - 1 day Thursday evening to Friday evening - day two Friday evening to Saturday evening - day three Sunday morning - the Resurrection My comment: Saturday evening to Sunday morning -day 4 ......That means you are against the Gospels that says Jesus was resurrected on the third day! (2) The existence of Jesus and Muhammad is not a hoax for they are the messengers of God! The crucifixion of Jesus is a hoax because the Bible contradicts itself by making contradictory statements about the crucifixion of Jesus. Can you win your case in the court if you have contradictory statements to support your case? The court will say that you are a liar and your case is a lie! Edited by AbRah2006 |
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God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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AbRah2006
Guest Group Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 354 |
Posted: 15 May 2006 at 5:23pm | |||||
------------------------------------------------------------ ------ Here is my response to Patty: It is not my intention to insult Christians and their belief but I have to expose the truth that Jesus was never crucified so I quote the Biblical verses to support my statements. Why are you so angry when I expose the truth that Jesus was not crucified using the Biblical verses? How do you know that Allah (God) must be extremely saddened to see and read the words of some Muslims here? Does Allah tell you that? Have you spoken to Allah? Here is my answer for you: 'There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower [Qur'an 2:256] ' Edited by AbRah2006 |
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God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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AbRah2006
Guest Group Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 354 |
Posted: 15 May 2006 at 5:29pm | |||||
Alibaba 'Actually, I find the very title of this thread to be demeaning to Christianity and contrary to the rules of courtesy on Islamic City. For goodness sake, if we ever put up a thread titled "Mohammed is a Hoax" or something similar it would be deleted immediately. Where is the fairness here Oh monitors? ' ------------------------------------------------------------ ------ Here is my response to Alibaba: You can put up a thread titled "Mohammed is a Hoax" or something similar and it is my pleasure to refute your lies. |
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God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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AbRah2006
Guest Group Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 354 |
Posted: 15 May 2006 at 5:49pm | |||||
Patty 'I have a question. If Muslims believe that Jesus was a great prophet, why do they not believe the words He spoke? He told of His forthcoming death to His disciples. Do you believe he was lying? And if you do believe He was lying, how could you continue to call a "liar" a great prophet?' ------------------------------------------------------------ ------ Here are my responses to Patty: 1)We Muslims believe that Jesus is a great prophet of Allah : The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a Spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers, and say not "Three". Refrain; better it is for you. God is only one God. Glory be to Him -- (He is) above having a son� (Quran 4:171). 2) We Muslims believe that the original teachings of Jesus are the truth of God but his teachings were corrupted into a lie by the Christians. For example: (1) Christ taught non-resistance
Allah Himself has promised to guard the Qur�an: "We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly Guard it (from corruption) [Al-Qur�an 15:9]. The Quran is Allah's greatest blessing for you . It is the fulfillment of His promise to Adam and his descendants:
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God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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AbRah2006
Guest Group Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 354 |
Posted: 15 May 2006 at 6:43pm | |||||
Patty 'He told of His forthcoming death to His disciples. Do you believe he was lying? And if you do believe He was lying, how could you continue to call a "liar" a great prophet?
Jesus spoke the following, "shortly before His crucifixion He said to His disciples, "The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified." John 12:23. The third day after Jesus had died on the cross, God raised Him from the dead, and forty days later, God lifted Him up to glory in the heavens. One day Jesus will return to receive those who belong to Him.' ------------------------------------------------------------ ------ Here is my response to Patti: Many Christians believe that Jesus came to redeem man to God by His death on the cross and to forgive man's sins. In some instances we have the death of Jesus, yet at other times you see the same Christians making the claim that Jesus "lives." Did he actually die or does he live? It cannot work both ways. Even if the death means a temporary death, it gives little value for an eternal sacrifice. But regardless of which way one believes, the morality of such an act deserves questioning. If anyone believes his prediction in Matt 26:2, then Jesus must have known of his upcoming crucifixion. As we all know that Christians claim that Jesus is God. If Jesus equals a god, then he could not have sacrificed his life, simply because an infinite god cannot die. If Jesus died as just a man, then he committed what we would today call suicide. Did Jesus redeem man from his sacrifice? History shows that violence of man against man has increased since the alleged "sacrifice." Wars, terrorist acts, murders, and suicides have occurred because of faithful acts in the name of Jesus. It appears that the sacrifice resembles the curse of a demon rather than that of a savior. Furthermore, believing that his death forgives sins only provides reason for committing them in the first place. Why should anyone feel so disagreeable about committing sins when they feel that Jesus has already forgiven them? No wonder jails contain so many Christian zealots. Regardless of how "Caesar's" laws treat them, they think of themselves as specially forgiven. |
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God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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