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ZamanH
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Atleast, in case of India, Muslims fell because the rulers were weak and they trusted the WEstern traders, too much. The rulers also were exceedingly indulgent in wine and women. Muslims empire was created by daring and smart Muslim soldiers, whereas, Western empire was created by unscrupulous traders by intrigue, deception and betrayal. One good example is how Lesseps cheated the Emir of Egypt into handing over the control of Suez canal to the Westerners. In case of the Ottomons, rulers have became overindulgent in wine and women and ignored their subjects and the WEstern threat. Although, Muslims were lagging behind the West in the field of science and technology, they couldn't have fallen just because of that. If the rulers had been strong they could have been able to catch up with the West. Japan is a good example of that. It became as prosperous and technologically advanced as the WEst and thus escaped colonization. Zaman.
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An enemy of an enemy is a fickle friend.
There will be more women in hell than men. ..for persecution is worse than the slaughter of the enemy..(Quran 2:191) Heaven lies under mother's feet |
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ZamanH
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If you look at the works of writers like Voltaire, Huxley, Roussaeu etc. who were the chief proponents of the Western Ciivilization as we know it, they were all secular and materiliastic and espoused a utilitarian view. Also, although the West didn't succumb to the Communists, Communists did affect the Western way of thinking considerably. |
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An enemy of an enemy is a fickle friend.
There will be more women in hell than men. ..for persecution is worse than the slaughter of the enemy..(Quran 2:191) Heaven lies under mother's feet |
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ummziba
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Thanks, Angel, for understanding my long winded explaination! And yes, Zaman, poor leadership was a major factor in the decline of Islamic civilization. Unfortunately, we still suffer from that affliction! So, besides educating ourselves about our religion and doing our best to follow it as it should be followed, how do we get rid of the bad leadership and install good leadership? How do we encourage good leadership among ourselves and among our children? Where do we even start? Peace, ummziba. |
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ummziba
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Here is a very good article that addresses what we have been discussing in this thread! Khaleej Times Online >> News >> EDITORIAL >> The World Of Islam
The broken link between Quran and its followers Edited by ummziba |
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Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words...they break my soul ~
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ZamanH
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We should first get rid of our fear of death and love of this world.
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An enemy of an enemy is a fickle friend.
There will be more women in hell than men. ..for persecution is worse than the slaughter of the enemy..(Quran 2:191) Heaven lies under mother's feet |
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ZamanH
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Regarding discussion between ukhti ummziba and Angel, I know a good book by Mariam Jamilah titled "Islam versus the West". I am not able to get a link for that book on the internet, though. |
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An enemy of an enemy is a fickle friend.
There will be more women in hell than men. ..for persecution is worse than the slaughter of the enemy..(Quran 2:191) Heaven lies under mother's feet |
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Alwardah
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As Salamu Alaikum Masha Allah good discussion here Most impressed by both these quotes
The Prophet (Sallallahu 'Alayhi wa Sallam) did warn us about it. During a discussion with his Companions about the weakness of his Ummah one of the companions, (Radhi Allahu Anhum), asked: O Messenger of Allah! Will that relate to being few in numbers? The Prophet said: No, but your huge number will be of little effectiveness, and (Allah) will cast Al-Wahan in your hearts. They said: O Messenger of Allah, what does Al-Wahan mean? He said, Your hearts are strongly attached to life luxuries and you feel strong aversion to death. (Reported by Ahmad and Abu-Dawud) It is very sad Muslims are controlling most of the worlds natural resources but they are puppets to the Kufr. May Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala guide the Ummah of Muhammad (Sallallahu 'Alayhi wa Sallam) to the True Deen. Ameen! |
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�Verily your Lord is quick in punishment; yet He is indeed Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful (Surah Al-An�am 6:165)
"Indeed, we belong to Allah and to Him is our return" (Surah Baqarah 2: 155) |
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ZamanH
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As Salaam Alaikum Alwardah, That is a very inspiring hadith and has been posted in this site, more than once. |
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An enemy of an enemy is a fickle friend.
There will be more women in hell than men. ..for persecution is worse than the slaughter of the enemy..(Quran 2:191) Heaven lies under mother's feet |
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