1948 Creation & Catastrophe

Caringheart wrote: islamispeace wrote: Caringheart wrote:   Is there a nation on earth where people have not suffered loss due to war at one time or another? asalaam.  I wonder if you were in their position, woulld you follow your own advice. I have said before... I have lost everything unjustly in my life... I chose to recover... to devote my energies to starting new... not in fighting the past, and living a life of destruction and desolation.  I took my energy, picked myself by my frayed bootstraps, and built new. Salaam. note:  I wonder, what have you lost in your life, as you sit in judgement, accusing others of hypocrisy?  Easy for those to egg on the battle, who aren't engaged in the war.... when they sit from a comfortable distance.

Hah!  You accuse me of "sitting in judgment" when I am not the one asking the victims of war crimes to "recover" and "not fight the past"!  I don't know your personal story but I doubt that what you have suffered is akin to the suffering of multiple generations of Palestinians or any other group of people that have been victimized.  I doubt that victims of the Holocaust can be compared to your struggles.  You have to be pretty arrogant to "sit in judgment" and ask people who have suffered inhuman tortures to simply "recover".  I asked you before.  How exactly are the Palestinians supposed to "recover", especially in the atmosphere of the brutal Israeli occupation and settler violence?

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Caringheart wrote: islamispeace wrote: Caringheart wrote: I have said before... I have lost everything unjustly in my life... I chose to recover... to devote my energies to starting new... not in fighting the past, and living a life of destruction and desolation.  I took my energy, picked myself by my frayed bootstraps, and built new. Salaam. note:  I wonder, what have you lost in your life, as you sit in judgement, accusing others of hypocrisy?  Easy for those to egg on the battle, who aren't engaged in the war.... when they sit from a comfortable distance. You do judge.  You do not listen.  You do not know me.  You have no idea. As I asked... have you ever suffered loss? Here are a few entries from my personal journal to help you, maybe, understand... if you can lay aside your animosity and really listen. �Every day, in life, is beautiful� - Alice Herz-Sommer, the world�s oldest holocaust survivor How can someone who has seen the worst of mankind hold onto this view � more important� why can I not? ___________________________ Therefore fear not when pain and tribulation loom before you, when the wild ocean waves threaten to turn and engulf your little ship. - Christian Metz, 1825 ~ seasons change, so do I ~ ___________________________ Wait on the LORD: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait, I say, on the LORD.  -  Psalm 27:14 ___________________________________ Sometimes, just when the wind turns coldest, if we will just wait� the cloud passes, and the sun returns� and warmth.   -  C.Lynn ______________________________ ~ the battle�s not over, till I get home ~ Continue the battle, withstand all suffering and trial, survive until the end; then you will receive the crown of honor. � Johann Friedrich Rock, 1741 __________________________________ These are only the recent ones. asalaam.

You think that because you have suffered loss, that gives you the right to judge those who have suffered even more?  Show me one person in this world who has NOT suffered some sort of loss? 

You asked me if I have suffered loss.  Of course I have!  All of us have!  I loved my grandfather.  I didn't even know when he died overseas because my parents did not tell me until 6 years later when I found out by accident.  A couple of years before his death, one of my uncles had died.  As I was only 10 years old, I didn't take the death very well. So, I guess my parents were afraid that if they told me about my grandfather, my reaction would be one of devastation.  Every person who has ever lived has suffered some sort of loss.  You are not unique. 

My point is that I am not the one judging Palestinians and urging them to "recover".  I don't presume to tell people who have suffered much more than I could ever imagine to "recover".  In fact, whenever I feel like things are not going right in my life, I always remind myself that I have no right to complain.  People living in Africa, Asia and other places have it much worse, and yet they are enduring, so why can't I? 

Like I said, I don't know you or what you have gone through, but I don't tell you to get over it.  You are the one saying that about the Palestinians.  You said some incredibly dumb things about the whole conflict.  You were refuted yet you have yet to say "yes, I was wrong".  You claimed that the Arabs started the 1948 war.  You were refuted.  Your fellow hypocrite, reepicheep, questioned whether the Palestinians had been ethnically-cleansed.  He was refuted.  Yet, neither one of you has the integrity to say "yes, I was wrong".  Instead, you have tried to change the subject or try to put yourself in a moral position to judge others. 

If you think that you have the right to judge the Palestinians, then I recommend that you go to the Gaza Strip or the West Bank and live there for a few years and see how you like it.  I frankly doubt that your attitude will be the same if you were to lose your entire family to a missile attack or see your all your crops burned by violent settlers.  You are the one "sitting in judgment", not me.  You are a shameless hypocrite. 

You still have not answered my question: how exactly are the Palestinians supposed to "recover"?  Any bright ideas?  It's easy to say stuff.  It's quite another to say something that will make a difference. 


Edited by islamispeace - 01 March 2014 at 10:50am

Islamispeace, your posts do contain elements of truth, but alas, the truth is hidden by half truths, outright lies, and irrational conclusions.

For example, you condemn Israel for the (supposedly) "crippling blockade" of Gaza. But doesn't Egypt also share a border with Gaza? Isn't Egypt, too, guilty of blockading Gaza? Doesn't every one of the claims you make against Israel (whether true or false) also apply to Egypt? Why do you condemn Israel but not Egypt?

If there are particular topics you wish to discuss (for example, Gaza), then I suggest you open new threads dedicated to those topics, and depending on how rational your points are, I'll consider making reply.