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semar
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I think the other way around, there is no solid evidence that the bible did not evolve. The argument that you present so weak, did not make sense, contradict with human instinct.
The divinity of Jesus (Jesus son of God) and the trinity concept (if this is true) is too important to be missed in early Bible, because this the most essential (the sametime also controversial) teaching of Christianity. Edited by semar - 26 April 2011 at 11:07pm |
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Salam/Peace,
Semar "We are people who do not eat until we are hungry and do not eat to our fill." (Prophet Muhammad PBUH) "1/3 of your stomach for food, 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air" |
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Jack Catholic
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So, my brothers and sisters,
Since there is no solid evdience that the Holy Bible evolved over time, we all have to admit clearly that the Holy Bible did not evolve over time.
God Bless,
Jack Catholic
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Jack Catholic
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Dear Ron,
I wrote, "Each gospel writer focused on the things he felt were the most important based on what he felt his audience most needed. Each one wrote for a different audience. Go figure."
You responded with a question: "So you're saying that Mark and John didn't think the virgin birth of Jesus was important?"
So if an audience already knows about an event and the writer so decides not to write about it, does this mean that the writer thinks the event is unimportant? How do you draw this conclusion?
God Bless you,
Jack Catholic
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Ron Webb
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No, it is almost certainly not legal, although if the school was not involved and was not aware that it was happening, then it may be difficult to figure out who is responsible. At a minimum, however, the school has a resonsibility to be aware of what is going on on its property, and to make a reasonable effort to prevent activities that violate the First Amendment.
This is exactly the kind of thing that the Freedom From Religion Foundation exists to investigate. I'm sure they would be happy to give you a legal opinion, and possibly take action on your behalf if warranted. (And just to be clear, FFRF is not opposed to private belief in religion. Their only purpose is to keep religion out of our governments and schools, so that people like you and your daughters will not be subjected to religious propaganda that conflicts with your own faith.)
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Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect.
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truthnowcome
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You quoted, " "Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to
abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the
truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least
stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament)
until everything is accomplished. (Matthew
5:17-18)"
Then you asked me if I am obeying the law. What has this got to do with
whether the bible has evolved, may I ask?
Based on the verses you provided, it seems that the New Testament agrees
with the Torah as to what is right and what is wrong, no? I don't see any
evidence of evolving here.
God Bless,
Jack Catholic
Br. Jack, I was not responding to weather the bible evolved or not. I was responding to your claimed that Muslims are killing Christians because they call Jesus (S) Allah. That is blasphemy! And the Law stated, if you worship other Gods than the God of Israel you must be put to death. Muslims are simply obeying the law of your bible (not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished.) and you are not. They understood the concept of God the way the Jews understood it; trinity is blasphemy!
About the name
of, "Allah," for Yahweh (Jehovah), I am all for calling God,
"Allah." The problem here on Islamicity.com is that though Christians
have been calling God, "Allah" for 2000+ years (longer than Islam has
existed), yet Muslims have told me they are offended when I referr to God in a
Christian way while calling Him, "Allah," they are highly offended.
What's more, in Muslim countries, Muslims are putting Christians to death in
the streets for using this name in reference to the Christian God. Then
Christians are being accused of provoking these murders. Many
of these countries have made it national law forbidding Christians from calling
God, "Allah," saying that because we recognize God as a trinity,
calling God, "Allah," is blasphemy against the understanding the
Muslims have of God. I did not make this controversy, nor do I
kill people over the issue. But Muslims are killing Christians regularly over
it. What can I say? I'd like to see Muslims police themselves on this issue,
bringing other Muslims to justice for these murders. But the Holy Qur'an does
not recommend the death penalty for murder should a Muslim kill a Christian,
thought it does recommend the death penalty for a Christian who kills a Muslim.
Go figure that one.
Jack Catholic
You do not follow the law, you worship created things [Jesus (S)]: �Ye
men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, �a man approve of
God� among you by miracles and wonders and sign, which God did by him in the midst of you, as you your self also
know� (Acts 2:22)
� "20.
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal
power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has
been made, so that men are without excuse.
Jesus (S) teaches to obey the law and commandment:
� "Then
Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and
the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything
they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice
what they preach.' (Matthew 23:1-3)"
� �And Jesus
answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: V.30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God
with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all
thy strength: this is the first
commandment.� Mark 12:29-30
I
hope you this will clarify my response, Inshallah!
TNC
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Salam/Peace,
Semar "We are people who do not eat until we are hungry and do not eat to our fill." (Prophet Muhammad PBUH) "1/3 of your stomach for food, 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air" |
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Ron Webb
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C'mon Jack, this is simply not credible. If you're going to tell a story, you don't leave out the most important parts even if they are well-known. In fact, especially if they are well-known -- just try telling a bedtime story to your kids and leaving out their favourite bits, and see what reaction you get.
Moreover, are you suggesting that the virgin birth was better-known than the crucifixion? Surely Christ's very public death on the cross would have been widely reported and discussed by friends and foes alike; and yet all of the Gospels include it. Mary's impregnation, on the other hand, was a completely private affair no matter who you think the father was. It is the ultimate tall tale with no evidence to back it up. You seriously imagine that it would have been such common knowledge at the time, and so universally believed, that there was no need even to mention it, let alone testify to its truth?
The bottom line is that you can't use a lack of evidence for your claim as evidence in support of it. If Mark didn't mention the virgin birth, that doesn't suggest that it was common knowledge. It suggests that it wasn't part of the story when he told it, and therefore that it was added later.
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Jack Catholic
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Dear Ron Webb, About Mary's Virgin Birth, I'm saying that Mark and John were writing to communities that already knew about it. It was so well known in their communities that there was probably not any thought at all in their mind that maybe they should include it. Mathew was the first mention of it and his account is brief, written also to a community that knew of the virgin birth. Luke, on the other hand, had circulated amongst many non-Jewish Christian communities with St. Paul which really didn't know Mary, had never met her accept through the mention that she had had such a birth, and St. Luke, being a doctor, felt it necessary to go and interview her directly and report her story in depth from a doctor's point of view. His account was enough, and any question on Mary's virgin birth did not arise again until the Protestant reformation 1500 years later. Remember that the Gospels are about Jesus, not Mary, and the emphasis has been placed on Him more than on Mary. Contrary to Muhammad's missunderstanding recorded in the Qur'an, Mary is not one of the three members of the Blessed Trinity, so the Gospels do not really dwell on her beyond "mention".
Again, you must consider the circumstances behind each of the Gospels that were written as well as the communities they were written to.
About the invitation going home from school, I am a teacher. We reagularly block handing out of invitations in the classroom. But when a child wants to invite his friends to go somewhere like a birthday party, a concert, or a church event and hands out some invitations to his friends at recess or outside the campus gates where children get picked up, there is absolutely no way that the teachers or school administration can stop that, and why should we? Religion is not an evil thing, nor is it something to be ashamed of. Do we teach our children to hide their faith from the community at large? That is not what this nation is about. If you are Muslim and want to invite people to an Islamic event, send invitations with your child to school and tell him to hand them out to his friends at recess or outside the gate and I'm sure the school will not complain. As long as your child is not promoting religiouse beliefs on the campus during school hours, their is nothing wrong with invitations to anything.
God Bless,
Jack Catholic Edited by Jack Catholic - 21 April 2011 at 7:12am |
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