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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 May 2009 at 3:01pm
"If they are sitting next to each other, clearly they are two distinct persons. See the pickle that trinity is in? Tongue"
 
BMZ - we are the ones who are saying that the Godhead comprises distinct persons.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 May 2009 at 4:45pm
"I think you have your religions confused. Muslims don't celebrate ancient pagan rituals in the guise of religious holidays. Muslims don't eat the body and drink the blood of God. Muslims don't burn candles, kiss crosses, or pray to saints for miracles. Muslims have never made a man into God or made God into a man."
 
To many Christians it does appear that you do follow the ritual of circumambulating the Kaaba, kissing the stone and throwing the rocks at the pillars.
 
The Easter egg symbolizes- new life.  A symbol that i like much better is the lowly catepillar [man without GOD] that is transformed to a new beautiful butterfly [man with GOD].
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16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 2009 at 3:57am
Originally posted by Doo-bop Doo-bop wrote:

"If they are sitting next to each other, clearly they are two distinct persons. See the pickle that trinity is in? Tongue"
 
BMZ - we are the ones who are saying that the Godhead comprises distinct persons.....


I know, Doo-bop.

Therefore, Doo-bop, you should not declare that there is one God. That is only the business of the Jews and us, Muslims.

Instead, you should say that there is only one Godhead, which contains three 'Gods'. LOL

Wasn't the LORD serious when making the statement in integrity, "There is no God Beside Me"? Did the LORD ever hint of a  "Godhead" Himself in the Jewish Scriptures, to the Prophets and to His people of yore?


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Edited by BMZ - 25 May 2009 at 5:46am
Shasta's Aunt: "Well, there's the difference you see. The Bible was written by man about God, The Quran was revealed to man by God."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 2009 at 5:49am
Originally posted by Doo-bop Doo-bop wrote:

"If they are sitting next to each other, clearly they are two distinct persons. See the pickle that trinity is in? Tongue"
 
BMZ - we are the ones who are saying that the Godhead comprises distinct persons.....


Doo-bop,

A question: Does the Holy Spirit of Christianity sit on the left hand of God?

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Shasta's Aunt: "Well, there's the difference you see. The Bible was written by man about God, The Quran was revealed to man by God."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 2009 at 9:41am
Originally posted by BMZ BMZ wrote:

Originally posted by Doo-bop Doo-bop wrote:

"If they are sitting next to each other, clearly they are two distinct persons. See the pickle that trinity is in? Tongue"
 
BMZ - we are the ones who are saying that the Godhead comprises distinct persons.....


I know, Doo-bop.

Therefore, Doo-bop, you should not declare that there is one God. That is only the business of the Jews and us, Muslims.

Instead, you should say that there is only one Godhead, which contains three 'Gods'. LOL

Wasn't the LORD serious when making the statement in integrity, "There is no God Beside Me"? Did the LORD ever hint of a  "Godhead" Himself in the Jewish Scriptures, to the Prophets and to His people of yore?


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No, we say only one God, not three.  And the fact that the Son sits at God's right hand does not mean that he is not God.  Indeed the fact that he is Son means he must be God. 
 
When your son takes a seat next to you, yourself being man, at your right hand, is he not also man?  Or did you beget a son of a different species to yourself?  I think you will find he is a different person to you, but not of a different species
 
Indeed, there is not God beside God.  That is why we don't believe in Allah, etc.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 2009 at 11:27am
Originally posted by BMZ BMZ wrote:

Originally posted by JOUBERAR JOUBERAR wrote:

Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt Shasta'sAunt wrote:

Originally posted by JOUBERAR JOUBERAR wrote:

Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt Shasta'sAunt wrote:

"What I am talking about have got nothing to do with Martin Luther statements please do not held others hostage for a apology to rectify the contradictions in the Quran."   
 
When you actually post something from The Quran we will address it.
 
Well then address it no muslim could ever answer this why have you got a anti-Christ if you do not believe  in Christ I want you to give me a clear answer not an excuse.
 
 
 
Perhaps you can answer why you felt it necessary to falsify verses from The Quran?
 
 
 
I HAVE TAKEN THE VERSES EXACTLY AS IT IS OUT OF THE QURAN IF IT IS FALSE THEN THE QURAN IS ALSO CORRUPT.
ABDULLAH YUSF ALI.
MUHAMMAD HABBIB SHAKIR.
MUHAMMAD PICKTHAL
MOSHIN KAHN.
THEY ARE ALL BASICALLY  THE SAME OR NOT.


We know when you misreport. Next time, we will do a translation for you.

We have no such thing known as an Approved Translation or an Approved Version, etc.

Regarding your comment
Quote Well then address it no muslim could ever answer this why have you got a anti-Christ if you do not believe in Christ I want you to give me a clear answer not an excuse.
, I would like to add that we have no Christ in Islam and thus we do not have an anti-Christ. We do not need one.

We do have the son of Mary, who was sent as a prophet, a messiah to the Jews and that is what he simply was. A man, whom one could call a prophet, a reformer or a teacher. Nothing more.

Neither the Jews nor the Muslims are waiting for any anti-Christ.

By the way, it is my personal belief that the biblical Jesus was his own anti-Christ, looking at the gospels. See how he ruined himself!  LOL

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Jesus was he only a Messiah for Jews or the whole world and then you denie Jesus is the Christ and second you do not know your own religion thats why you denie that in Islam there is no anti-christ Dajjal then muslims in your eyes talk a lot of nonsense about Dajjal.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 2009 at 2:11pm
Originally posted by BMZ BMZ wrote:

Originally posted by JOUBERAR JOUBERAR wrote:

Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt Shasta'sAunt wrote:

Originally posted by JOUBERAR JOUBERAR wrote:

Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt Shasta'sAunt wrote:

"What I am talking about have got nothing to do with Martin Luther statements please do not held others hostage for a apology to rectify the contradictions in the Quran."   
 
When you actually post something from The Quran we will address it.
 
Well then address it no muslim could ever answer this why have you got a anti-Christ if you do not believe  in Christ I want you to give me a clear answer not an excuse.
 
 
 
Perhaps you can answer why you felt it necessary to falsify verses from The Quran?
 
 
 
I HAVE TAKEN THE VERSES EXACTLY AS IT IS OUT OF THE QURAN IF IT IS FALSE THEN THE QURAN IS ALSO CORRUPT.
ABDULLAH YUSF ALI.
MUHAMMAD HABBIB SHAKIR.
MUHAMMAD PICKTHAL
MOSHIN KAHN.
THEY ARE ALL BASICALLY  THE SAME OR NOT.


We know when you misreport. Next time, we will do a translation for you.

We have no such thing known as an Approved Translation or an Approved Version, etc.

Regarding your comment
Quote Well then address it no muslim could ever answer this why have you got a anti-Christ if you do not believe in Christ I want you to give me a clear answer not an excuse.
, I would like to add that we have no Christ in Islam and thus we do not have an anti-Christ. We do not need one.

We do have the son of Mary, who was sent as a prophet, a messiah to the Jews and that is what he simply was. A man, whom one could call a prophet, a reformer or a teacher. Nothing more.

Neither the Jews nor the Muslims are waiting for any anti-Christ.

By the way, it is my personal belief that the biblical Jesus was his own anti-Christ, looking at the gospels. See how he ruined himself!  LOL

BMZ


 
OK THEN WHICH QURAN IS YOU APPROVED TRANSLATION OR AUTHENTIC TRANSLATION ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 2009 at 2:39pm
Originally posted by BMZ BMZ wrote:

Originally posted by JOUBERAR JOUBERAR wrote:

Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt Shasta'sAunt wrote:

Originally posted by JOUBERAR JOUBERAR wrote:

Originally posted by Shasta'sAunt Shasta'sAunt wrote:

"What I am talking about have got nothing to do with Martin Luther statements please do not held others hostage for a apology to rectify the contradictions in the Quran."   
 
When you actually post something from The Quran we will address it.
 
Well then address it no muslim could ever answer this why have you got a anti-Christ if you do not believe  in Christ I want you to give me a clear answer not an excuse.
 
 
 
Perhaps you can answer why you felt it necessary to falsify verses from The Quran?
 
 
 
I HAVE TAKEN THE VERSES EXACTLY AS IT IS OUT OF THE QURAN IF IT IS FALSE THEN THE QURAN IS ALSO CORRUPT.
ABDULLAH YUSF ALI.
MUHAMMAD HABBIB SHAKIR.
MUHAMMAD PICKTHAL
MOSHIN KAHN.
THEY ARE ALL BASICALLY  THE SAME OR NOT.


We know when you misreport. Next time, we will do a translation for you.

We have no such thing known as an Approved Translation or an Approved Version, etc.

Regarding your comment
Quote Well then address it no muslim could ever answer this why have you got a anti-Christ if you do not believe in Christ I want you to give me a clear answer not an excuse.
, I would like to add that we have no Christ in Islam and thus we do not have an anti-Christ. We do not need one.

We do have the son of Mary, who was sent as a prophet, a messiah to the Jews and that is what he simply was. A man, whom one could call a prophet, a reformer or a teacher. Nothing more.

Neither the Jews nor the Muslims are waiting for any anti-Christ.

By the way, it is my personal belief that the biblical Jesus was his own anti-Christ, looking at the gospels. See how he ruined himself!  LOL

BMZ


 
 
This is what your holy prophet have said or must we call him a liar. 

Hadith - Bukhari 9.245, Narrated Abu Said 

One day Allah's Apostle  narrated to us a long narration about Ad-Dajjal and among the things he narrated to us, was: "Ad-Dajjal will come, and he will be forbidden to enter the mountain passes of Medina. He will encamp in one of the salt areas neighboring Medina and there will appear to him a man who will be the best or one of the best of the people. He will say 'I testify that you are Ad-Dajjal whose story Allah's Apostle has told us.' Ad-Dajjal will say (to his audience), 'Look, if I kill this man and then give him life, will you have any doubt about my claim?' They will reply, 'No,' Then Ad-Dajjal will kill that man and then will make him alive. The man will say, 'By Allah, now I recognize you more than ever!' Ad-Dajjal will then try to kill him (again) but he will not be given the power to do so."

Hadith - Bukhari 9.247, Narrated Huraira 

Allah's Apostle  said, "There are angels at the mountain passes of Medina (so that) neither plague nor Ad-Dajjal can enter it."

Hadith - Bukhari 9.239, Narrated Anas bin Malik 

The Prophet  said, "Ad-Dajjal will come and encamp at a place close to Medina and then Medina will shake thrice whereupon every Kafir (disbeliever) and hypocrite will go out (of Medina) towards him."

Dajjal is One-Eyed in fact he got two eyes only blind in the one eye. 

Hadith - Bukhari 9.241, Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar 

Allah's Apostle  stood up amongst the people and then praised and glorified Allah as He deserved and then he mentioned Ad-Dajjal, saying, "I warn you of him, and there was no prophet but warned his followers of him; but I will tell you something about him which no prophet has told his followers: Ad-Dajjal is one-eyed whereas Allah is not."

Hadith - Bukhari 9.504, Narrated Abdullah 

Ad-Dajjal was mentioned in the presence of the Prophet  . The Prophet  said, "Allah is not hidden from you; He is not one-eyed," and pointed with his hand towards his eye, adding, "While Al-Masih Ad-Dajjal is blind in the right eye and his eye looks like a protruding grape."

Hadith - Bukhari 9.245, Narrated Anas 

The Prophet  said, "No prophet was sent but that he warned his followers against the one-eyed liar (Ad-Dajjal). Beware! He is blind in one eye, and your Lord is not so, and there will be written between his (Ad-Dajjal's) eyes (the word) Kafir (i.e., disbeliever)." (This Hadith is also quoted by Abu Huraira and Ibn 'Abbas).

Hadith - Bukhari 9.237, Narrated Abu Huraira 

Allah's Apostle  said, "The Hour will not be established

     (1) till two big groups fight each other whereupon there will be a great number of casualties on both sides and they will be following one and the same religious doctrine,

     (2) till about thirty Dajjals (liars) appear, and each one of them will claim that he is Allah's Apostle,

     (3) till the religious knowledge is taken away (by the death of religious scholars)

     (4) earthquakes will increase in number

     (5) time will pass quickly,

     (6) afflictions will appear,

     (7) Al-Harj, (i.e., killing) will increase,

     (8) till wealth will be in abundance--so abundant that a wealthy person will worry lest nobody should accept his Zakat, and whenever he will present it to someone, that person (to whom it will be offered) will say, 'I am not in need of it,'

     (9) till the people compete with one another in constructing high buildings,

     (10) till a man when passing by a grave of someone will say, 'Would that I were in his place,'

     (11) and till the sun rises from the West.

So when the sun will rise and the people will see it (rising from the West) they will all believe (embrace Islam) but that will be the time when: (As Allah said,) 'No good will it do to a soul to believe then, if it believed not before, nor earned good (by deeds of righteousness) through its Faith.' (6.158) And the Hour will be established while two men spreading a garment in front of them but they will not be able to sell it, nor fold it up; and the Hour will be established when a man has milked his she-camel and has taken away the milk but he will not be able to drink it; and the Hour will be established before a man repairing a tank (for his livestock) is able to water (his animals) in it; and the Hour will be established when a person has raised a morsel (of food) to his mouth but will not be able to eat it."

Hadith - Muslim #7015, Narrated An-Nawwas ibn Sam'an 

     Allah's Apostle  mentioned of the Dajjal one day in the morning. He sometimes described him as insignificant and sometimes described (his turmoil) as very significant (and we felt) as if he were in the cluster of the date-palm trees. When we went to him (to the Holy Prophet) in the evening and he read (the signs of fear) on our faces, he said: What is the matter with you?

     We said: Allah's Apostle  you mentioned the Dajjal this morning (sometimes describing him) as insignificant and sometimes very important, until we began to think he was present in some (nearly) part of the cluster of the date-palm trees.

     So he said: I harbour fear in regard to you in so many other things besides the Dajjal. If he comes forth while I am among you, I shall contend with him on your behalf, but if he comes forth while I am not among you, a man must contend on his own behalf and Allah will take care of every Muslim on my behalf (and safeguard him against his evil). He (the Dajjal) will be a young man with twisted, cropped hair, and a blind eye. I compare him with AbdulUzza ibn Qatan. He who among you will survive to see him should recite over him the opening verses of Surah al-Kahf (xviii). He will appear on the way between Syria and Iraq and will spread mischief right and left. O servant of Allah! Adhere (to the path of Truth).

     We said: Allah's Apostle  , how long will he stay on Earth?

     He said: For forty days, one day like a year, one day like a month, one day like a week, and the rest of the days will be like your days.

     We said: Allah's Apostle  will one day's prayer suffice for the prayers of the day equal to one year?

     Thereupon he  said: No, but you must make an estimate of the time (and then observe prayer).

     We said: Allah's apostle  how quickly will he walk upon the earth?

     Thereupon he   said: Like cloud driven by the wind. He will come to the people and invite them (to a wrong religion); they will affirm their faith in him and respond to him. He will then give a command to the sky: there will be rainfall upon the Earth and it will grow crops. Then in the evening, their pasturing animals will come to them with their humps very high, their udders full of milk and their flanks distended. He will then come to another people and invite them. But they will reject him so he will go away from them; they will have a drought and nothing will be left with them in the form of wealth. He will then walk through the desert and say to it: Bring forth your treasures. The treasures will come out and gather before him like a swarm of bees. He will then call someone in the flush of youth, strike him with the sword, cut him into two pieces and (make these pieces lie at the distance which is generally between the archer and his target. He will then call (that young man) and he will come forward laughing with his face gleaming (with happiness).

     It will at this very time that Allah will send Christ, son of Mary. He will descend at the white minaret on the eastern side of Damascus, wearing two garments lightly dyed with saffron and placing his hands on the wings of two Angels. When he lowers his head, there will fall beads of perspiration from his head, and when he raises it up, beads like pearls will scatter from it. Every non-believer who smells the odour of his body will die and his breath will reach as far as he is able to see. He will then search for him (Dajjal) until he catches hold of him at the gate of Ludd and kills him. Then a people whom Allah had protected will come to Jesus, son of Mary, and he will wipe their faces and inform them of their ranks in Paradise. It will be under such conditions that Allah will reveal to Jesus these words: I have brought forth from among My servants such people against whom none will be able to fight; you take these people safely to Tur, and then Allah will send Gog and Magog and they will swarm down from every slope. The first of them will pass the lake of Tiberias and drink out of it. And when the last of them passes, he will say: There was once water there.

     Jesus and his companions will then be besieged here (at Tur, and they will be so hard pressed) that the head of the ox will be dearer to them than one hundred dinars. Allah's Apostle  , Jesus, and his companions will supplicate Allah, Who will send to them insects (which will attack their necks) and in the morning they would perish as one single person. Allah's Apostle  , Jesus, and his companions, then come down to Earth and they will not find on Earth as much space as a single span that is not filled with putrefaction and stench. Allah's Apostle  , Jesus, and his companions will then beseech Allah who will send birds whose necks would be like those of Bactrian camels and they will carry them away and throw them where Allah wills.

    Then Allah will send rain which no house of mud-bricks or (tent of) camel-hair will keep out and it will wash the Earth until it resembles a mirror. Then the Earth will be told to bring forth its fruit and restore its blessing and, as a result thereof, there will grow (such a big) pomegranate that a group of people will be able to eat it and seek shelter under its skin, a dairy cow will give so much milk that a whole party will be able to drink it. The milking camel will give such (a large quantity of) milk that the whole tribe will be able to drink from it, and the milking-sheep will give so much milk that the whole family will be able to drink from it. At that time Allah will send a pleasant wind which will soothe (people) even under their armpits. He will take the life of every Muslim and only the wicked will survive who will commit adultery like asses and the Last Hour would come to them.


 
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