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seekshidayath 
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 Posted: 04 July 2008 at 6:14pm |
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Hahahaa ! but sisters, don't be under misconception, that they don't remember dates. Men, forget those important days intentionally
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Regarding temptation - here's a hadith
Before that let me remind you all, that Allah swt , created man in a world of tests and trials. One of the fitnahs, by which men are tested are women. ANd here is the sahih hadith
"Prophet { Sallal lahu alayhi wasallam) said: �I have not left behind me any fitnah (temptation) more harmful to men than women.�
So did i state that they are cause of temptation. When she wears hijab its less. I have a question for you all ? If mixing is allowed in Islam, and if both were equal - then why are women to stand in the last rows during salah ? WHy was it not said, stand wherever, they can ?
Alhmadullilah, there are many women in Islam who memorise Qur'an. The qualities of women which are little less than men { cleared in my earlier post}, like forgetfulness, and all others, are natural and general. There may be exceptions that we find a wife stronger than her husband {physically}, like wise in all other cases, they may overcome man, but its rare and is an exception.
Why is it said that we need two witnesses instead of one, and why is it asked for a woman to remind the other ?
Here's an observation - WHenever there is a fight or difference between a husband and a wife, its the wife who returns first to reconcile {says sorry} , even if she is correct. She forgets all that happened and soon overcomes from that stress that happened earlier.
Anyways, sister in US, i have an humble wish. Hope you shall try to meet it. You know IFOD - Islamic Foundation for curicullum in resenent and Development. Try to meet its founder - Amena. I don't know her full name.
Yesterday, i did read her story into Islam. Its many years ago that she was blessed with it. She is a very good daee. She works for the spread of Islam moving all around the places in US, kindly, try to meet her. I have no clue where she resides. Its not mentioned here. But yes, she says that she was born in Los Angels and moved to Florida. 100s of women entered into folds of Islam after meeting her, Alhamdullilah. She is now well - verses in Arabic, and studies Qur'an with different commentaries. She delivers her speeches over radio and tV as well. Kindly meet her once, and discuss to her of this topic, we are into. She views the same as i do
Try to associate with her dawah institute and work for the spread of Islam there. I do now understand as why its tough for you all to agree with. khayr --
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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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Shasta'sAunt
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Posted: 04 July 2008 at 4:36pm |
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My husband can't remember what we had for dinner last night or where he put his keys, his wallet, where the silverware is in the kitchen, etc....
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�No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.�
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Shasta'sAunt
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Posted: 04 July 2008 at 4:34pm |
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"S.A. Well the sarcasm wasn't obviously funny nor was it "obviously sarcasm" use emotes *hint *hint. Besides you're slowness was obvious by the fact that the comment wasn't even generated totally to you.....notice I said (Chrysalis)."
You seem to be the only one who took it seriously or I would have been inundated by rebuttals by now.
The sarcastic element was the fact that I called women brainless ninnies after having argued throughout three threads that they are anything but. If I ever have occasion to share a sarcastic aside with you again I will put a complete explanation in parenthesis in tiny little letters*.
*(That was sarcasm)
BTW: the Go Boston was sarcasm too. Edited by Shasta'sAunt - 04 July 2008 at 4:37pm |
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Israfil
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Posted: 04 July 2008 at 1:41pm |
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S.A. Well the sarcasm wasn't obviously funny nor was it "obviously sarcasm" use emotes *hint *hint. Besides you're slowness was obvious by the fact that the comment wasn't even generated totally to you.....notice I said (Chrysalis).
it is written in The Quran, therefore the Word of God.
Then if I'm wrong about my view God obviously know why I choose my beliefs the way I do.
Thats what I meant when I said that temptations
Chrysalis perhaps I can convince you to say "some men" instead of using the general term of 'men' since some men aren't the cause of temptations rather, women too can only cause them as well.
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Chrysalis
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Posted: 04 July 2008 at 5:44am |
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Israfil. . . I completley agree that BOTH men AND women are EQUALLY prone to temptations. . . however I was referring to the case where ppl say that women should not venture out because it causes temptations. Hence I was saying, if the male is tempted. . .the woman is not at fault, bcz the man is the one responsible for his own temptations
Thats what I meant when I said that temptations stem from the male when they look at a woman. . .hence its thier fault, and not the woman's . . .thus they should worry about controlling thier own actions and stop worrying about why women are venturing out.
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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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abuayisha
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Posted: 03 July 2008 at 9:40pm |
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Why is it that my wife is able to reproach me with vivid details of some problem I caused her 15 years ago as if it were yesterday?
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Hayfa
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Posted: 03 July 2008 at 9:16pm |
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Women are weaker than men in memory and forget more than men. And I�ll take my memory capabilities over the vast majority of people I have ever met and I am a woman. Allah has well-endowed me with a �man�s memory� capacity.. my niece is brilliant at math.. guess she has a �man�s� brain as well� maybe she got this from her grandmother who studies chemistry in college back in the 1930s� lol It funny some people just want to base everything on one�s gender. Let�s face it. We all know weak women and we�ve all known weak men. We all know st**id people who make poor decisions of both. We know really smart people. We know really pious people. We know some families where the man makes all the decisions and some where the woman does or else nothing would happen. I�ve met �dramatic� people of both who are so into themselves you feel you are watching a movie-there is so much drama... Its interesting how cultural it all is... Like when they were interviewing women in |
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Shasta'sAunt
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Posted: 03 July 2008 at 8:12pm |
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[QUOTE=Israfil]
I don't know the relevance of your point or is it a "feminist rant" but I certainly did not say that women are such!
I do believe that even during the prophet's time (which historically it is shown he didn't change it) that Arab society as well as most of the civilized world was largely partriarchal. Women staying home tending the children while men worked is a developed social system developed out of patriarchal society because it establishes a hierarchal system in the family. the reason sister Nausheen and other Muslimah's (as well as non-muslims e.g. Angela) argue for this type of system is purely out of two things: religious tradition and social conditioning.
It this type of family structure is supposedly divinely related then the people will be taught, conditioned and perform what their religion says overlooking any of the realistic circumstances. They will argue in defense and wven try to show proof using statistics to show why this type of familial system is important this is why I wasn't surprised to see Muslim women being on the defensive regarding women staying home tending the children. there are even some feminist women who argue for women's independence yet, still perpetuate patriarchal values by their defending on the patriarchal system of family.
When I came on the scene on this issue some time ago I was one against many who supported this patriarchal system because at the time I was the 'outsider' on this issue. As an arguably Muslim man, I reject this patriarchal system wholeheartedly and will not choose it for my life. I believe in the independence of women and them being autonomous creatures. I do not believe women should just stay home and work and support the family but BOTH men and women help support the family. A man who simply works, works, works just to provide in the Muslim culture shows that men's familial bond between wife and child is demphasized.
I believe men are capable of staying home cooking and cleaning and taking care of the children is as calable of performing these duties as women have for centuries. Because I don't see myself being a millionare of billionare anytime soon, I hope to find a woman who is a working professional and independent. I hope we share the same realistic values of family and hope we can work as a TEAM and not independent of each other. don't get me wrong I have no objections of a woman staying home especially when she is birthing my child-(ren), but I have objections to a woman who, at the beginning will say "I'm staying home and taking care of the house and children because its my [Islamic] right." Women must understand that rights don't equal priviledge it means in law that you have the 'legal' choice to do certain things.
Men who are sheikhs who comment on these issues have no 'right' to comment on what a woman should and should not do. How can a male, comment on the role of what it is a woman should do? Male Sheikhs have no say so over anything gender related. This is why I definitely support the creation of women Imams and scholars on gender issues within the Muslim community. Although class issues within the female gender would be internal issues in female commentaries I believe women are capable of explaining social issues regarding family, children, and what they want at home and at work.
Muslim women on this website who support this male dominant patriarchal system have a hard time counter arguing my point on how this type of family system is gender neutral. In this system men have the upper hand and if you believe otherwise please counter argue this point. Legally, at least in America if I work and provide for the woman and take care of my children and decide to divorce my wife for whatever reason I have the legal upper-hand because a woman has nothing to show for what she has done except what she does at home. Although women working at home can be as hard as working in the "real" world (depending on your financial circumstances) women are not independent because essentially, they depend on the man to take care of them and the children economically, socially, and even spiritually. Like I said, in this syetm men have the upper hand and its sad so many women are blind that they don't see it.
I want a woman who don't need me financially but is co-dependent on me emotionally and spiritually and wants to work as my teammate instead of my subordinate.
Geez Israfil, sometimes you are a little slow on the uptake. I was sarcastically alluding to previous posts. You know, men are hormonal and so weak minded they can't control themselves so women have to stay hidden away and women are brainless and unable to reason so it's better if they stay hidden away. And to protect the men from their raging hormones, of course.
I think we are actually kinda on the same side here, except regarding the Islamic right of the woman to stay home if she chooses. Allah obliges men to provide full maintenance and that is something that is not in question. It is not any scholar's opinion, it is written in The Quran, therefore the Word of God.
BTW: Go Boston! Go Boston!
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