Percentage of men in jail?

USA1 wrote: The problem with any report that predicts an end is that it is based on no change. We all know that change happens every day and affects the future so, predicting this is futile.

Let's assume that the solution that would be politically the least unpalatable in America, is (re-)instituting Christianity as state religion somehow, even though it is explicitly forbidden by the American constitution.

As I said in a previous post, Christianity is still better than atheism, but it obviously doesn't work without being state religion. I am not particularly fond of the idea that people proclaim everywhere that God would have family members (I actually thorougly dislike that idea), but ok, it is still superior to a crime -and fornication fest.

It's funny how the current destructive stage in the US, was built in from the start, in the Bill of Rights.

You can't just abandon a religion and refuse to "respect an establishment of religion", in order to weaken a religion. You have to replace it by another religion, and preferably not by some "Cult of the Supreme Being" a la Robespierre in France, because that's b*llsh*t too.

USA1 wrote: While America has it's issues with crime and punishment, it is our growing liberal society that makes this so.

It is the collapse of the nuclear family that makes this so, which in turn was just an eventuality waiting to happen, as a result of the one secularisation wave succeeding the other.

Since the remainder gets dumped, why not dump everything, and start fornicating like animals? That was really inevitable ...

USA1 wrote: Some maybe but, 2nd and 3rd generation criminals need a harder punishment.

Being tough on crime has zero fundamental effect. It just combats the symptoms more thoroughly. Crime cannot be addressed without addressing the problem of family breakdown, which in turn cannot be addressed without (religious) rules that prevent it. You can find them literally in the scriptures.

USA1 wrote: Most prisoners today have multiple priors. That means they were arrested multiple times before and put back on the street over and over until they reach a violent enough stage to warrent a longer prison tme. This also evident in many aspects of our justice system...There is no deterent.

It's a waste of time. You can't do much about the current population of criminals. Some can be reformed, but most won't be.

The only thing that can be done, is to prevent future generations of criminals from reaching the "crime market". But even that is very hard.

You could institute a state religion, preferably one without human gods and just One God, but how can you unbreak the enormous numbers of currently broken families? How can you forcibly make people compatible, in terms of expectations and behaviour, who are currently incompatible, since that's why they broke up in the first place?

Even by organizing a tremendous U-turn at the highest political level, this would be extremely hard to do, if not, impossible. The level of widespread degeneration is such, that I doubt it can still be fixed.

USA1 wrote: To be a religious based and run country, one would have to find a deterant through education that would take  2 or 3 generations to correct.

Forget it. It won't happen. Degeneration follows its own unmanageable and unescapable logic. Just watch.

USA1 wrote: It makes me sad.

Although the US in its current incarnation is doomed, you are not.

You can personally still join a community that maintains religious values at the community level and firmly entrench yourself there, and try to keep the kids away from mainstream America, by collectively and continuously demonizing it to the kids .

For Christian religion, only something like the Amish would work. Therefore, I think a Christian solution is unrealistic. There would be too many atheist-style people coming over, and then the fornication fest starts all over again. So, that's really pointless.

Islam automatically becomes Amish-community-style, when there's a sufficient number of believers in the same neighbourhood. I doubt anybody would fake it. Especially, given the fact that the women would give it away right away, by not wearing a headscarf and not dressing hijab. I can't imagine any fakers going as far as doing that. If the women voluntarily and consistently dress hijab in public, the whole family quite likely means it.

So, you can personally escape from the onslaught of depravity by digging in, in the right place, amongst the right people, and waiting for better times, that are definitely coming, inshallah, we just don't know when, as it is so obvious that the atheist fornication fest and the resulting crime celebration fest are bound to defeat themselves.

candid wrote: I agree with Crass most of the time. But I suggest he backs up his claims through theories which are widely accepted to be true.

I am currently reading up on another important part of the male population in jail: the hispanics.

http://hispanicmuslims.com/
http://www.latinodawah.org/

Instead of going about in gangs, joining Islam is obviously a more potent anti-establishment, anti-American-exploitation, anti-family-destruction statement.

Chavez has made it clear his goal in life is to bring the U.S. to its knees. He has stood with Iran against the U.S. and, as WND reported Thursday, he is providing documents that could help terrorists infiltrate the U.S.-Mexico, according to a new congressional report on homeland security.

That entire socialist/communist story doesn't impress anybody any longer.

There is something much more interesting he could do. Why doesn't he say the Shahada in public, if he really want to show his middle finger to Washington?

Islam is actually not inherently or that much anti-western. It is anti-western people who become Muslim.

I agree Aminah07 this is all totally off topic and should have been
stopped a while ago ....

(Our moderators humming softly to themselves ....)

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Duende wrote: Is a man who uses a prostitute not as detestable as the prostitute?

From the point of view of the extended family, what family members do, is important. As you probably understand, they will take a dim view on male family members who visit prostitutes somewhere far outside the extended family, but I doubt they would lose so much sleep over it.

Duende wrote: You paint a picture of Afghan tribal culture, so well known for its record in life expectancy, high literacy, social harmony and achievement.

The Jews also have a tribal culture, and they're not know for being illiterate.

Social harmony is best served by not sticking one's nose into other people's family affairs.

Record life expectancy, high literacy, social harmony and achievement were brought about by previous generations in the West, which managed to maintain their chastity and keep their families together, and is not the result of the current fornication fest, which is actually squandering the progress made by these previous generations.