1 Timothy 2 and the "silent" women

Dear Annie,

You said the following:

"I think that Jesus showed that men and women were equal.  He had a lot of women followers and many became leaders in the very early church.  So since women were allowed to become leaders there must have been some concensus among Jesus' Apostles that this would be acceptable to Jesus."

Of course Jesus held women and men as equals.  He loved women, and some of his closest and dearest followers were women.  There was, however, no concensus that women were to be priests.  (Just as men cannot ever give birth.) The priesthood is reserved only for men, because Christ in his human form was a man.  Further, the original 12 disciples went on to follow in the Tradition of Christ and chose all male bishops after them.

"Weren't there women leaders in the Old Testament?"

There were highly regarded women in the Old Testament for sure, but we're talking New Testament here....when Jesus established His Church here on earth.

"Do you think there will come a time that women will be allowed to be priests in the Catholic church.  My Catholic friends think so."

No, I don't believe that will happen.  It is a very anti-Catholic desire by some Catholics....they are considered dissidents, or protestors.  They usually belong to dissident groups who would like to "change the Church", such as Voice of the Faithful, CORPUS, Call to Action, etc.  They are not recognized by Rome, and are getting pretty close to being out of communion with the Vatican.  Some have already been excommunicated as their proposed changes are nothing more than heresy.  I do believe that one day Roman Catholic priests will not be required to take vows of celibacy and will be given the option of marrying.  Right now the Church still believes a celibate priest is more able to focus entirely on his "flock", his parishioners.  If he were married, his focus would be divided between his flock and his wife and children.  That distraction is not what the Church wants at this time.

As I have always said, as long as we follow what our conscience tells us is correct, love God above all else, and love our neighbors as ourselfves, It seems to me that God will take this all into consideration on Judgement Day.  But the Catholic Church will not fall, because Jesus said it would not when he first established it.  So if there are individuals who, after great studying and prayer, find they can no longer can accept the teachings of the Holy Catholic Church, my own personal opinion is they should find a church with which they do agree (always remembering they are more than welcome to return at any time.)  Catholics are returning in droves to the Church.  Many left during the 70's, and are now coming back to their Catholic roots.  Also during this year's Easter Vigil, over 200,000 converts were received into the Church in the US alone.

God Bless You Always, Annie!

 

Hi Patty,

There are very good reasons why women will not be ordained as priests in the Catholic Church.  It is because nowhere did Jesus choose any woman as a disciple, or apostle....and they were the first priests.  If He had wanted women to be priests we have no doubt He would have chosen one while he was here on earth.  But He did not do this.  He gave absolutely no sign and said no words to indicate He wanted women to perform as a priest.

I think that Jesus showed that men and women were equal.  He had a lot of women followers and many became leaders in the very early church.  So since women were allowed to become leaders there must have been some concensus among Jesus' Apostles that this would be acceptable to Jesus.

Weren't there women leaders in the Old Testament?  I would have to research that.  But if Jesus did not think that women should be priests and pastors I would think that he would have said so and he didn't.

Do you think there will come a time that women will be allowed to be priests in the Catholic church.  My Catholic friends think so.

Good wishes to you,

Annie

Men are to honor and love their wives:

Prov 12:4  A virtuous woman [is] a crown to her husband: but she that maketh ashamed [is] as rottenness in his bones. 

Prov 31:10  Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price [is] far above rubies. 11 The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil. 12 She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.

Prov 31:28  Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband [also], and he praiseth her. 

Colossians 3:19 Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them.

1 Timothy 5:8 But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

Ecclesiastes 9:9 Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun.

Peace be with you.

By early Christians I refer to the Apostolic Fathers - Mar�ion, Tertuillian, Justin Martyr, Iraneus etc.

My point was that women were not considered equal in those times, and were actually thought to be dangerous avenues where sin could enter the church.

They were not misusing Paul; Paul's anti-woman message was entirely part of the times.  Paul thought women and marriage were best avoided (1 Corinthians 7).

Scripture has been revealed more fully today, but the early Christians' belief system was quite different.