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Chrysalis
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Although I may not be directly involved with the issue at hand. . . I felt compelled to say something. . .
The subject is a little strange, 'muslima in frustration' . . . are you referring to yourself Seeks, or Sis Shasta's Aunt?
Secondly, Can't Non-Muslims access this section? I think they can . . . and thus one has to be careful with whatever they, in whatever section. Which is why with all due respect I would ask all the ppl with certain views with regard to Female Rights in Islam, to keep the personal opinions seperate from those of Islam. The Non-Muslims probably read all the cultural-based stuff here, and say 'Hah! Islam IS a female-subjugating religion' . . .when in reality it isnt. Same with the Sisters/Brothers section . . .I dont think one can maintain exclusivity on an online forum, due to its public nature, even if they wish to.
One of the Links you yourself posted, mentions VARIOUS working muslim women . . . with no mention that anyone of them worked because they were starving or widows or divorced. THESE ARE THUS WITHIN Islam's boundaries. . . Hazrat Zainab, the Prophet's wife earned simply because she wished to give Charity out of her own earnings.
A woman who steps out of the house DOES NOT automatically cause Fitnah. Fitnah is caused by MEN & WOMEN who have sinful intentions, or disregard Islamic Ettiquette. And please do not quote the Hadith about women & Fitnah, because that does not refer to the all the WOMEN, but is saying that MEN should mind themselves, because Women are a temptation for them, thus can lead to Fitnah. It is not labelling the women as Fitnah . . .Niether are all believeing Muslimah = Fitnah.
Lastly, we have already gone through a pretty lengthy discussion on Working Women, and thus I saw no need to start another thread for it. Obviousley we all have our own views, and nobody is going to be changing them.
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seekshidayath
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As'Salamu Alaikum ,
May be that was usage of a wrong word - {contaminate }. Am very sorry that .
But i do vary your opinions again. SIster, { hayfa}, am not saying that even when there is a necessity, she cannot assist her husband financially. Who is asking her to starve ? There may be necessity of work even for widows or divorcees too. On the other hand, they have an other option to get married again. Why do they not enable themselves with this "right" then, instead of going out and causing fitnah. { be it direct or indirect }.
And about the rules which you say get applied in an Islamic state -- Ahhhh ! Does that mean a muslimah, residing in a non-Islamic country may or may not wear hijab, can she speak to non-mahrams , can use perfumes and thus, attract everyone around her, --- can do all those sorts which are to be implemented only in a islamic state ?
If so, then even Adultery and drinking shud be haram in an Islamic state only. I don't understand on what basis is it said that these are the rulings only for an Islamic state.
Woman itself is a cause of temptation. So is she commanded to wear a hijab and come out when necessary. If you have read that link, you must have come across the verse wherein it is addressed to mother of believer to stay in there homes. At an other verse it is commanded to come out of necessity. I don;t say that woman are to be in home always, They can come when necessity demands, but they are to be mindful of these conditions . I do respect these woman who work in hijab. I was answering shasta's aunt where she says that there are no such conditions and they are made by me. Those links show up the conditions which are derived from Qur'an and sunnah .
Shasta's Aunt:
Honestly, this whole subject and the archaic thinking of some women regarding this matter has made me exhausted
These opinions of mine and those who agree with my thoughts may be archaic to you, but remember teachings of Islam are never archaic.
Shasta's aunt :
Sister, if you want to stay at home and be treated as someone who has less sense and rights than men that is your choice.
Firstly sister, i would have ignored your sentence addressed to me at an other thread. But since you were getting personal, and even in this sentence of yours you are getting personal, i had to start up. It shall be kind of you if you discuss the topic in general terms. Alhamdulliah, i have many good friends and wellwishers apart from from family to advice me. You need not bother what i teach - in so called your words- "teach your children" or stay at home as someone who has less sense" - If needed advice seek it.
i find nothing in The Quran to justify this way of thinking, and if a Hadith cannot be verified by The Quran then the Word of Allah must have precedence.
On what basis can you claim so. If you do not find a hadith complying Quranic verse , will you reject it ? If all hadiths are to be verified by Qura'an then there was there is no need of hadith itself.
Suppose if any hadith contradicts with Qur'an then can we take up the verse and leave that hadith, as it may not match the context. BUt denying hadiths when there is not verse to it - is n't correct.
Quran repeatedly orders us to obey Allah and obey Prophet! If every order of Prophet had to be verified by Quran then "Obey Allah" was enough. Why did Allah added obey prophet repeatedly.
May Allah SWT. guide all of us and help us in gaining knowledge that which is correct so that we implement it in our lives. Ameen
Am sorry for being tough but i had to be.
Edited by seekshidayath - 01 July 2008 at 11:43pm |
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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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Shasta'sAunt
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"The fact that Allaah has given men more than women in terms of reasoning, thinking and physical strength is something concerning which there is no dispute."
WHAT??? If there is no clear dispute on this, where is the daleel?
Honestly, this whole subject and the archaic thinking of some women regarding this matter has made me exhausted.
Sister, if you want to stay at home and be treated as someone who has less sense and rights than men that is your choice. I find nothing in The Quran to justify this way of thinking, and if a Hadith cannot be verified by The Quran then the Word of Allah must have precedence.
I will personally accept the Word of Allah and leave you to accept what you will.
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Hayfa
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it is irritating when women are defined as "cotaminating" society. They ARE society, usally half. Women are dirty, they are polluted, a contaminator... it just makes me sad.
Unfortunately, most of these verses only apply to middle, upper middle class and wealthy women.
If I do not go out and work I shall starve. This is the case for most women in the world. It would be great to follow the Shirah if we lived in an environment that had the Shirah as its model. And no where does it exisit.
And then really, only the rich shall marry.. thus causing more fitna.
Now as a western person living in western society, I am quite stumped as to how a Muslim woman in hijab is the cause of "contaminating" society. In fact it might be the other way around as they are seen and visable and they can meet nonMuslims. We actually may cause one or two people to question the path they are on.
And considering the vase quanities are quite haram activity, the most decent thing may be those women in hijab. One never knows.
It may be the language.. but words like contaminate makes us seem like a bacteria. And I am not a germ thank you.
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seekshidayath
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As'Salamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu,
I did read sister {Shasta'aunt} at an other section replying me.
"Anyways Angel, women in Islam are given maximum freedom, which they can enjoy to the fullest. But if they try to cross them, they not only contaminate themselves, but also the whole society. We did read, how well do other religions treat women . Show me one single religion, which gives her such freedom.
Shasta'a aunt, a muslim woman can come out if there is necessity. But again if she defines her own definition of necessity, it may be tough again. Unless, the basic eminities are not met, she can go out for jobs." If Muslim women have maximum freedom, which I personally believe they do, then they have the right to go out whenever they choose to do so. Your statement putting conditions on this negates your avowel of maximum freedom. If she has to, if a man lets her, but not if she herself defines the necessity, she can't cross boundaries or she will contaminate society.... All of this to feed your children? No wonder so many non-Muslims think Islam treats women so badly. It's not Islam, it's the Muslims. Sister, you seem to take out all your anger. I did not want you to reply there, as it's a non-muslim's section. secondly we are not to debate. I see you more active here , also its a subject pertaining to "women". So i thought this is a relevant section.
The boundaries / limits i was talking of were not set by me but by the shariah. Else it may lead to fitnah . Thus, she may be a cause to contaminate the society. Kindly read this link
May Allah swt, bestow all of us with patience and peace, and help us in adhering principles of this true religion. Ameen.
Edited by seekshidayath - 30 June 2008 at 7:22pm |
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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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