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abuayisha
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Tim perhaps you haven't noticed that theology has long since ceased having significant political power in the world. When it comes to harm and pressure look no further than secular capitals of the world. Is it too much to "demand" civil discourse? |
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Tim the plumber
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The lives of many people have been and are beeing harmed by the demands that religious people put on others. This, on this forum, is the demand that we respect your beliefs to the point of not saying what we wish to and not challenging your professed views that the moon has split in two and then got better. To ever greater demands backed by ever greater pressure, threats and violence in the rest of the world. That is the point of this thread. |
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abuayisha
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I think what makes for good discussion is expressing views frankly and openly, and Islamicity is extremely liberal in that respect, as you well know. But let's keep the discussion respectful. As I mentioned before, theology by its very nature calls for faith and belief, and if you don't believe Moses literally parted the Red Sea, this is your choice. What point is there in becoming belligerent in your rejection, moreover to even articulate that you have somehow been harmed by such beliefs!? I personally feel it's entirely disingenuous to suggest political correctness or frank and open discussion is what's at play here, but just trolling an Islamic discussion board. I would hope that the moderators take note of such behavior as it is clearing in violation of the rules for discussion.
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Ron Webb
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Some of the faithful take their scripture literally, and some do not. I imagine each side thinks the others' beliefs are nonsense. Is Islamicity only open to the literalists? Or are we so politically correct that we cannot express our views frankly and openly?
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Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect.
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abuayisha
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Once again, this is theology, and the faithful indeed believe literally that Jesus, Moses, and Muhammad performed miracles in spite of what you term nonsense. You would have absolutely no need to speak out against it if you weren't participating in on a religious discussion board. Please have some respect or leave.
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Matt Browne
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The literal interpretation is nonsense. Myths and parables in holy books encode deeper meanings. The idea that a snake really talked to Adam and Eve is also nonsense. The symbolism behind it is not. The same applies to the split moon. Literalism poses a serious threat. We have to speak out against it. Edited by Matt Browne - 12 December 2015 at 4:02am |
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Tim the plumber
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The Moon has never split in two. There has never been a world flood. It does not matter that it says otherwise in any book, the Bible, the Koran or anything else. The world is as it is and wishing it otherwise is not going to change the world. It does not matter if you are or are not offended by the real world. Have a look at the various Moon threads to see how we, atheists, respond to somebody talking gibberish. How else should we respond in that thread and then assume that we see any religious theology as equally valid. How should we respond and why should we respond differently? |
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abuayisha
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That which you refer to as nonsense (splitting of the moon) is theology, and either you believe or not. Frankly, to troll an Islamic discussion board and refer to our religion as nonsense is indeed foolish and unacceptable behavior.
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