Need help

Seeks,

I appreciate your time and effort, but really it is not helping. You, and not you alone, prefer to rely on unreliable hadiths. Really sister, that is fine, but I chose not to.

We can continue backwards and forwards discussing these issues but they will help us little.

I go to various sources to gain as much info as possible. ANd I have come to the conclusion that I am fine to follow the course I am taking.

If that offends you then my apologies, but I still prefer to follow my God as I see fit. I would rather be a goat than follow the flock of sheep that goes over the cliff.

May you be blessed for your efforts.

Assalam alaikum.

Well okay, here are the posts that I haven't gotten answers to: 1.Page 6, Posted: 21 February 2010 at 10:18pm and 2.Page 7, Posted: 24 February 2010 at 6:00am. Thanks

P.S. Seeks, you never plucked your eyebrows? Really? Also, I could argue with you about meaning of this verse "And whatever the Messenger gives you, take it; and whatever he forbids you, shun it." [Al-Hashr (59):7], all it says is do what is allowed and don't what's not, you and scholars (one of them is ‘Abdull�h Ibn Mas’�d) on an other side try to make it more complicated then it really is.

Edited by calvindamenace - 25 February 2010 at 8:01am

martha wrote:   We already know that all religious practices came from Abraham (ie salat, ZAKAH   Is it ? Can you kindly quote that ayah ?    We should assume then that Muhammed and the believers were all ready well aquainted with practicing salat correctly.   My question was when Quran orders us to do salah, how shud we do it, when we are not to follow the teachings of Muhammad. Quran does n't teach us to do salah, as the way we do it , right ?   Salat WAS revealed in the Qur'an for the purpose of the idolatrous Quraishi to observe the salat. ( were they then offering salat incorrectly and needed reproving? I assume that would be the case)   How can you say that salah was revealed with that purpose ? I don't want assumptions. I need backup from the only source you believe in, i.e Qur'an.   And again,after Muhammed died(when Islam changed and followers split into sects) did we have different versions of salat. ANd that continues today.   Is it Muhammed never at any time in his daily life needed to instruct the people how to do the salat( not that I am aware of)   Kindly add - Peace be upon him or sallal lahu alayhi wasallam, after Prophet's name.  And Prophet instructed believers to offer salah as they see him doing.   We can read in the Qur'an that Muhammed had no other duty than to reveal the Qur'an. He was the messenger , not the guardian/protector/keeper/watcher. (Qu'ran 42:48)   You can also get to read these ayaat   Say (O beloved Prophet, to mankind): If you love Allah, then follow me; Allah will love you and forgive you your sins, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (3:31)   Indeed in the (Prophetic) Messenger of Allah you have an excellent example for him whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much. (33:21)   The saying of the believers when summoned to Allah and His (Prophetic) Messenger that he may judge between them is only that they say: We hear and we obey. And they are the successful. (24:51)   O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the (Prophetic) Messenger and those in authority from amongst you, then if you have a dispute concerning any matter, refer it to Allah and the (Prophetic) Messenger if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is better and very good in the end. (4:59) So, in matters where Qur'an is seemingly silent we should consider that everything was already known to the people.   What about us, the muslims living after Prophet ? I shall not trust people around me if they really practicising the way Prophet did. Also, you don't want me to lookin sunnah {hadith}.     THe Qur'an is perfect..we should not add to it. NOr do we take anything away from it.   Qur'an is PERFECT. NOR ARE WE TO ADD ANYTHING OR GO AGAINST IT. By following hadith, we are infact practicisng the command of Allah in Qur'an, wherein we are asked to take Prophet as or Ideal, and we are asked to obey the messenger. Let me make it loud and clear, though already you did read it,  that by following hadith am not going against Qur'an and infact by rejecting sunnah, one is going against the commands of Allah swt. Again, regarding celebrating the Prophet's birthday. I would not consider that to be important enough to have scholars debating over it.   Its important for me as a believer to be alert of every act i do and the belief i hold. I would consider every act of mine important for all of us accountable for what we do. And if we are not questioned by Allah for following wrong hadiths I cannot see how we are accountable for not following hadiths. If in doubt, don't do it. Isn't that the best advice for a believer?   We are accountable for not following the hadith. Its like one who is rejecting the hadith is infact rejecting Qur'an. When Allah commands to obey messenger {many times in Qur'an}, how do you obey messsenger , when you don't look at hadith ? We do agree on one thing here Seeks..that ALlah surely guides sincere seekers. :) May He guide us all.   Ameen