7 thunders of the Book of Revelation

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truthnowcome wrote:    When he, the Sprit of Truth (the Comforter), is come, he will guide you into all truth. (John.16:13)  ï¿½Truth has (now) come, and falsehood perished: for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish. (Q.17:81)

Salaam to all!

Hello my friend Robin! I guess this stuff is too heavy for you! I have up dated �who is the Comforter� which I will release as the days progresses Inshallah (If is Allah's (S) wills), beginning with �What is or who is the Holy Spirit�  

  In Qur�an Allah (S) commanded the prophet (S) true Gabriel: �Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel-for he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by Allah's will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe,-� (Qur�an 2:9)

Qul man kana AAaduwwan lijibreela fainnahu nazzalahu AAala qalbika biithni Allahi musaddiqan lima bayna yadayhi wahudan wabushra lilmumineena

  Who brought the revelation? Gabriel (S)! In the verse below Gabriel (S) was call the �Holy Spirit�: �Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims. (Qur�an16:102)

Qul nazzalahu roohu alqudusi min rabbika bialhaqqi liyuthabbita allatheena amanoo wahudan wabushra lilmuslimeena

The word used there for �Holy Spirit� is �roohu alqudus�

  The bible says the same thing: Luke 1:26-27 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,  27To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Gabriel (S) is the �Holy Ghost� and the Holy Ghost is the �Holy Spirit�.

 In the Greek Septuagint O.T. (LXX) pneuma (spirit), in Hebrew Ruah (Spirit) and in Arabic Rooh (Spirit).

  However, there is a difference between �Rooh-alqudus� and the �Rooh�. The word �Rooh� translated as �Spirit� where else the word �Rooh-alqudus� translates as �Holy Spirit� in the Qur�an and always refers to Gabriel (S) as I have explained above in Qur�an 2:9 and 16:102.

  Here it says in Matthew 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

 In Qur�an it says: �And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples�.

Waallatee ahsanat farjaha fanafakhna feeha min roohina wajaAAalnaha waibnaha ayatan lilAAalameena (Qur�an 21:91)

 Here also: �And Mary the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (her body) of Our spirit; and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of His Revelations, and was one of the devout (servants).� (Qur�an 66:12)

Wamaryama ibnata AAimrana allatee ahsanat farjaha fanafakhna feehi min roohina wasaddaqat bikalimati rabbiha wakutubihi wakanat mina alqaniteena

  Jesus (S) was described as a Spirit proceeding from Allah (Ruhun minhu): ��Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His word (BE), which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him (Roohun minhu)�(Q.4:171)     

Ya ahla alkitabi la taghloo fee deenikum wala taqooloo AAala Allahi illa alhaqqa innama almaseehu AAeesa ibnu maryama rasoolu Allahi wakalimatuhu alqaha ila maryama waroohun minhu�

  In this verse Gabriel (S) was addressed as Rooh: She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent her our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects. (Qur�an 19:17)

Faittakhathat min doonihim hijaban faarsalna ilayha roohana fatamaththala laha basharan sawiyyan

  Nevertheless, it is very clear that Allah (S) has breathed his Spirit (min-Rooh) into Mary (S) by way of Gabriel (S). Allah (S) did no breath Gabriel (S) into her. Same thing happen at the creation of man: But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His spirit. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give! (Qur�an 32:9)

Thumma sawwahu wanafakha feehi min roohihi wajaAAala lakumu alssamAAa waalabsara waalafidata qaleelan ma tashkuroona

 Also here, He Allah (S) said: "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him." (Qur�an 38:72)

Faitha sawwaytuhu wanafakhtu feehi min roohee faqaAAoo lahu sajideena

   Here Allah (S) strengthens Jesus (S) with �Rooh-alqudus [Gabriel (S)]�: Then will Allah say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit� (Qur�an 5:110)

Ith qala Allahu ya AAeesa ibna maryama othkur niAAmatee AAalayka waAAala walidatika ith ayyadtuka biroohi alqudusi

  We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of apostles; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit� (Qur�an 2:87)  

Walaqad atayna moosa alkitaba waqaffayna min baAAdihi bialrrusuli waatayna AAeesa ibna maryama albayyinati waayyadnahu biroohi alqudusi (Qur�an 2:87)

  Allah (S) also strengthen the Believers (Muslims) with his spirit (min rooh): �Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred. For such He has written Faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with a spirit from Himself. And He will admit them to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, to dwell therein (for ever). Allah will be well pleased with them, and they with Him. They are the Party of Allah (Hezbullah). Truly it is the Party of Allah that will achieve Success.� (Qur�an 58:22)

La tajidu qawman yuminoona biAllahi waalyawmi alakhiri yuwaddoona man hadda Allaha warasoolahu walaw kanoo abaahum aw abnaahum aw ikhwanahum aw AAasheeratahum olaika kataba fee quloobihimu aleemana waayyadahum biroohin minhu wayudkhiluhum jannatin tajree min tahtiha alanharu khalideena feeha radiya Allahu AAanhum waradoo AAanhu olaika hizbu Allahi ala inna hizba Allahi humu almuflihoona

  And Allah (S) said he: �Raised high above ranks (or degrees), (He is) the Lord of the Throne (of Authority): by His Command doth He send the spirit (of inspiration) to any of His servants he pleases, that it may warn (men) of the Day of Mutual Meeting,� (Qur�an 40:15)

RafeeAAu alddarajati thoo alAAarshi yulqee alrrooha min amrihi AAala man yashao min AAibadihi liyunthira yawma alttalaqi

 But he Allah (S) also said when: �They ask thee concerning the spirit (of inspiration). Say: �The spirit (cometh) by command of my Lord: of knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you, (O men!)�" (Qur�an 17:85)

Wayasaloonaka AAani alrroohi quli alrroohu min amri rabbee wama ooteetum mina alAAilmi illa qaleelan

 All the verses are self explained above and all spirits that proceeded from Allah (S) are holy (Holy Spirits).

 Let us examine the bible and see how many spirits God Almighty has. It is mentioned in Rev.4:5 �And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.�

Rev.4:6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.

What are these eyes? They represented Spirits: Rev.5:6�and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

 Rev.4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, LORD God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

So we can see God Almighty has Spirits by the thousands!

  This is what Allah (S) said: �The Day that the spirit and the angels will stand forth in ranks, none shall speak except any who is permitted by ((Allah)) Most Gracious, and He will say what is right.� (Qur�an 78:38)

Yawma yaqoomu alrroohu waalmalaikatu saffan la yatakallamoona illa man athina lahu alrrahmanu waqala sawaban (Qur�an 78:38)

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robin wrote:   However, there is salvation for individuals who exercise faith. (Read Isaiah 29:17-24; compare Luke 7:22.) �Deaf ones� will �hear the words of the book,� the message from God�s Word. Yes, this is not a healing of physical deafness. It is a spiritual healing. Isaiah once again points forward to the establishment of the Messianic Kingdom and the restoration of true worship on earth by the Messiah�s rule. This has taken place in our time, and millions of sincere ones are allowing themselves to be corrected by Jehovah and are learning to praise him. What a thrilling fulfillment! Ultimately, the day will come when everyone, every breathing thing, will praise Jehovah and sanctify his holy name.�Psalm 150:6.

Sure the �Deaf ones� will �hear the word of the (Seal) book!�

  I do hope Inshallah (God willing) the message reach home! Quotes from the Qur�an, Allah (S) said in Qur�an:

Qur�an 61:6-9

6. And (remember) when 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said: "O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of All�h unto you confirming the Taur�t [(Torah) which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed . But when he (Ahmed i.e. Muhammad ) came to them with clear proofs, they said: "This is plain magic."

7. And who does more wrong than the one who invents a lie against All�h while he is being invited to Isl�m? And All�h guides not the people who are, Z�lim�n (polytheists, wrong-doers and disbelievers) folk.

8. They intend to put out the Light of All�h (i.e. the religion of Isl�m, this Qur'�n, and Prophet Muhammad ) with their mouths. But All�h will complete His Light even though the disbelievers hate (it).

9. He it is Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad ) with guidance and the religion of truth (Isl�mic Monotheism) to make it victorious over all (other) religions even though the Mushrik�n (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, and disbelievers in the Oneness of All�h and in His Messenger Muhammed ) hate (it).

 Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled of (his own) desire. It is no les than inspiration sent down to him: He was taught by one Mighty in Power. (Q.53:2-5)

 From those, too, who called themselves Christians We did take a Covenant, But they forgot a good part of the message that was sent down: So We stirred up enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the Day of Judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. (Q.5:14)

O ye People of the Book! Believe in what We have (now) revealed, conforming what was (already) with you� (Q.4:47)

 None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: knowest thou not Allah hath power over all things?  (Q.2:106) 

   O People of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that you used to hide in your Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from Allah a light [Muhamed (pbuh)] and a perspicuous Book. (Q.5:15)

 ï¿½So fear Allah, and obey me [Muhamed {S} and the message he brought]. (Q.3:50)

 Verily this Qur�an doith guide to that which is most right. (Q.17:9)

 ï¿½And nearest among them in love to the Believers wilt thou find those who say, �We are Christians� Because among these are men devoted to learning and who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant. (Q.5:82)

 Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: For thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His path, and who receive guidance. (Q.16:125)

 And those who are firmly grounded with knowledge say: �We believe in it (the Qur�an); the whole of it (clear and unclear verses) are from our Lord:� and none will grasp the message except men of understanding. (Q.3:7)

 The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will)�But if you deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account. (Q.3:19)

 If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good). (Q.3:85)

 ï¿½And say to the People of the Book��Do ye (also) submit yourselves?� If they do, they are in right guidance, but if they turn back, thy duty is to convey the Message; and in Allah�s sight are (all) His servants. (Q.3:20)

 Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book is a portion that stand (for the right)�they rehearse the Sign of Allah all night long� (Q.3:113)

 Narrated Abu Burdah�s father: Allah�s Messenger (S) said, ��if any man of the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) believes in his own Prophet and then believes in me [Muhamed (pbuh)] too, he will (also) get a double reward� [Sahih Al Bukari, 7/5083 (O.P.20)]                                                                            

  The day that certain of the signs of thy Lord do come, no good will it do to a soul to believe in them then, if it believed not before nor earned righteousness through its Faith. (Q.6:158)

 Narrated Abu Hurairah {R}: Allah�s Messenger (pbuh) said, �The Hour will not be established until the sun rises from the west; and when the people see it, then whoever will be living on the surface of the earth, will have faith, and that is (the time) when no good will it do to a person to believe then, if he believed not before.� [Sahih Al-Bukhari, 6/4635 (O.P.159)]

 (Q.39:53-54)  Say: "O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of God: for God forgives all sins: for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (39:054) "Turn ye to our Lord (in repentance) and bow to His (Will), before the Penalty comes on you: after that ye shall not be helped.

 ï¿½Truth has (now) come, and falsehood perished: for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish. (Q.17:81)

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robin wrote: truthnowcome wrote: Robin Good try! However, let me take u back to Isaiah so we can start first by hearing some answer from you. It is mentioned in Isaiah 29:11-12 (NWT) 11 And for YOU men the vision of everything becomes like the words of the book that has been sealed up, which they give to someone knowing the writing, saying: �Read this out loud, please,� and he has to say: �I am unable, for it is sealed up�; 12 and the book must be given to someone that does not know writing, [somebody] saying: �Read this out loud, please,� and he has to say: �I do not know writing at all.� Isaiah.29:11 And the vision of all is become unto you as a word of a book that is SEALED�And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, read this I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. (Greek: Isaiah.29:12 KJV) Who fulfilled that prophesy? Muhammad (S) did: Context shows you miss the true meaning buy miles:- Spiritually drunk, these leaders are unable to discern the import of the vision given to Jehovah�s true prophet. Isaiah states: �Upon you men Jehovah has poured a spirit of deep sleep; and he closes your eyes, the prophets, and he has covered even your heads, the visionaries. And for you men the vision of everything becomes like the words of the book that has been sealed up, which they give to someone knowing the writing, saying: �Read this out loud, please,� and he has to say: �I am unable, for it is sealed up�; and the book must be given to someone that does not know writing, somebody saying: �Read this out loud, please,� and he has to say: �I do not know writing at all.���Isaiah 29:10-12.

I didn�t think so my friend! Let�s take another look and see who realy is missing the true meaning.

Who God Almighty poured a spirit of deep sleep on and close their eyes? I have insert brickets:

Isaiah states: �For upon YOU (the Jews) men Jehovah has poured a spirit of deep sleep; and he closes YOUR (the Jews) eyes, the prophets (of the jew�s), and he has covered even YOUR heads (the ruler), the visionaries (of the Jew�s). (Isaiah 29:10 NWT)

 ï¿½For the LORD hath poured out upon you (the Jews) the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your (the Jews) eyes: the prophets (of the Jew�s), and your rulers (of the Jew�s), the seers (of the Jew�s). hath he covered.�  (Isaiah 29:10 KJV)

 You see! God Almighty has poured a spirit of deep sleep and closed the eyes of the Prophets, the rulers and the seer of the Jew�s - Three categories of people. At that Junction Prophet Hood ended for the Jews.

 Same thing he said in Isaiah.28:2 when the �Mighty Strong One� will come: �But they (Jews) also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the �priest and the prophet� are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; the err in vision, they stumble in judgment. For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean. Whom shall he teach knowledge? And whom shall he make understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breast.� Isaiah.28:7-9

Why? You give the answer here:

robin wrote:   Judah�s religious leaders profess to be spiritually discreet, but they have left Jehovah. They teach instead their own twisted ideas of right and wrong, justifying their faithless and immoral activities and their leading the people into God�s disfavor. By means of �something wonderful��his �strange deed��Jehovah will call them to account for their hypocrisy. He says: �For the reason that this people have come near with their mouth, and they have glorified me merely with their lips, and they have removed their heart itself far away from me, and their fear toward me becomes men�s commandment that is being taught, therefore here I am, the One that will act wonderfully again with this people, in a wonderful manner and with something wonderful; and the wisdom of their wise men must perish, and the very understanding of their discreet men will conceal itself.� (Isaiah 29:13, 14) Judah�s self-styled wisdom and understanding will perish when Jehovah maneuvers things for her entire apostate religious system to be wiped out by the Babylonian World Power. The same thing happened in the first century after the self-styled wise leaders of the Jews led the nation astray. Something similar will happen in our own day to Christendom.�Matthew 15:8, 9; Romans 11:8.

You didn�t say �how� Jehovah will maneuver things! How God Almighty will do that? By sending the �seal book� to an iliterate Prophet!

Isaiah.29:11 And the vision of all is become unto you as a word of a book that is SEALED. (KJV)�and the book must be given to someone that does not know writing, [somebody] saying: �Read this out loud, please,� and he has to say: �I do not know writing at all.� (Isaiah 29:12)

  It is mentioned in Qur�an that Muhammad (S) was that  illiterate Messenger and was prophesy in the bible: Those who fallow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they fiend mention in their own (Scriptures), In the Taurat {Torah} and the Injeel (Gospel). (Q.7:157).

And thou (O Muhammad) was not (able) to recite a book before this (book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: in that case indeed, would the talkers of vanity have doubted. (Q.29:48)

When that �seal book� come what will happen: Isaiah 29: 14 �Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.�

What Jesus (S) said? Jesus said unto them (Jews), Did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders reject the same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord�s doings, and it is marvelous in our eyes. (Matt.21:42)

  And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken: but whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. (Matt.21:44)

 If you reject Jesus (pbuh) you reject his message, and the stone �represent his message� and it shall bear fruit and be marvelous in our eyes under another nation. Sure, Jesus (pbuh) is not �marvelous in our eyes,� His message does, and whosoever tries to destroy that Message shall not succeed, and where so ever the message goes it will prevail.

  Matt.21:43 Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

  And that nation is no other than Ishmaelite, Abraham�s (pubh) seeds.

  And as for Ishmael�Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and multiply him exceedingly�and I will make a GREAT NATION. (Genesis 17:20 )

Some Quotes from the Qur�an, Allah (S) said:

 There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (as they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, �That is from Allah,� But it is not from Allah: it is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it! (Q.3:78)

 Ye People of the Book! Why do you mix truth with falsehood, and conceal the truth, while ye have knowledge. (Q.3:71)

 Let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel. To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the truth that hath come to thee� (Q.5:47-48)

 And whoever contradicts and apposes the Messenger [Muhamed (pbuh)] after the right path has been shown clearly to him. And follows other others than the believers� way, We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in hell � what an evil destination! (N.Q.4:115)

 ï¿½And say to the People of the Book��Do ye (also) submit yourselves?� If they do, they are in right guidance, but if they turn back, thy duty is to convey the Message; and in Allah�s sight are (all) His servants. (Q.3:20)

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