Creation Versus Evolution

Israfil wrote: I didn't realize that so many of you really don't know what evolution is, and let alone, can differentiate between evolution and the process of natural selection. Creationism is a poor excuse of a philosophy and should not be taught in class. God creating the world is a spiritual belief that should be private and in the private homes of people. You cannot physically measure God nor can you prove that God created the planet. However with genetics you can prove that certain creature groups have some genetic link to each other, for instance chimps and humans share 95% of their DNA. Som religionist just don't like the fact that all of life was once one. I remember discussing with a fellow Muslim the other day about evolution and he didn't like the fact that maybe our closes relative was a chimp. For some reason he considered animals to be less than human. Little does he know that intelligence is not measured on one scale but on several scales but I took his contempt as more of a human pride thing than anything. But yes, to say the world is 6000 years old is simply a delusion made up by Christians (oh wait, its in the Bible). It's funny when Paleontologist study carbon dated bonoes of prehistoric creatures and find that they are millions of years old how can a christian who believes in Creationism answer that? Oh, with, "the devil put those bones there?" LOL I love my Creator and I take it serious when our Creator is thrown into a theological/scientific circus by idiots who (and I'll quote brother Rami in this) are not equipped with the knowledge of the field. I'll agree with Rami in that biological scientist and genetic researchers have no right commenting on God. This is like the blasphemy of science. Science can neither prove nor disprove anything that is incoporeal or cannot be physically studied. The same thing with theologians. Theologians or religionist alike cannot comment on evolution if they are coming from a doctrinal perspective.

Wow! So whose the idiot here?!

 

Anyway, even though I dont believe in evolution, I dont consider it a serious danger to my beliefs, I simply dont believe it because it has not been proven (that's why even most scientists who believe it call it a THEORY). If the existance of a creator should not be taught because it is "not proven", then surely evolution should not be taught either as it is only a theory.

But really when you have to choose from teaching: "we all came from empty space and an explosion that came out of nowhere for no reason" and Creation, then any sane person must admit that creation makes much more sense. By creation I dont mean that "God was playing with clay and made man", what I mean is that if there was an explosion in empty space which brought about all planets, all plants, all the insects and animals and sciences and arts and emotions and senses etc.etc.etc. then you better believe that there was intelligent design, or else, you simply lack intelligence...or sanity.

Evolution or not, it's clear that there must have been a creator, or else how could the "mutations" have had so many positive rather than negative effect (even though mutations are naturally a bad thing, yet the more evolved or "mutated", the more advanced we are as according to evolution humans have evolved more than all other beings and we are certainly more advanced than all animals and plants-why have there not been any negative mutations).

I dont know wether or not the Bible is correct to say the earth was created 6 or 7 thousand years ago, there are arguements on both sides (watch the first video I posted). But no matter how old the earth is, after reading Evolution Deciet by Harun Yahya and listening to anti-evolution scientists, I see no reason why I should believe in evolution.

The belief in evolution today is similair to the belief that the earth is flat and ends at its edges which existed in Europe a few centuries ago. It was a popular belief, but it was no more than a theory which was late proven wrong.

 

 Evolution is correct except that there is no natural selection. It is all by the will of Allah that He has created. So evolution is here by creation or vice versa.

 We don't believe that Adam was the first man here on earth. He was however the first prophet of Allah. The christians believe that mankind is here only since 6000 years. Islam does not support it.

Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

Assalamu alaikum Herjihad,

DNA has all the information and genetic material about a person or animal in it. It tells us if we will have black hair two arms legs walk upright or crawl and anything else we could possibly be or become.

For something to evolve into something else it must have this information in its DNA otherwise it wont grow longer legs stop crawling or start flying this is a scientific fact. So where is this new genetic information being added to the DNA from, well scientist being the Great theologians they are invented this thing called natural selection which they themselves admit can not be proven scientifically just like they cant prove the existance of God scientificaly ie by observation.

Now i ask you HOW have scientist observed new genetic material absolutely foreign to a creature being added to its DNA and how have they proven a theological argument when they are not Qualified in this field.

They havnt they arrived at both by conclusion not observation and this is a scientific fact and the reason why evolution is still a theory only.

This whole theory is similar to when the majority of Christians believed the earth was flat becouse they where told it was people believe in evolution becouse they are told to believe in it when the reality is it is just a theory that is being taught well beffore it is proven.

If scientist can empirically prove evolution no one would argue against them but they havnt they have simply concluded on the matter to fill in gaps with there understanding.
 


Edited by rami

Megatron wrote: Are you serious about this?  The world was not created 6000 years ago.  Why are Muslims against evolution?  Could it be possible that Allah created the world and all its creature through the process of evolution? Aside from the religious view, you must consider that the proofs of evolution are great.  A high school science teacher is hardly qualified to refute what thousands of geneticists and biologists believe to be the unifying theory of how life developed on our planet.  If that man ever spoke at a University, he'd be laughed at.  Unless it was one of those dumb christian universities in the southern united states.

Bismillah and Salaams,

Al-Bari' means?  The Evolver.  Allah, The All-Knowing, created the earth and all that lives on it.  Did he do it through evolution?  The Holy Quran says that Adam was made from clay and Eve, Howa, from his side. 

However, we don't have the timetable to limit us as the Christians who believe in the literal Bible do.  And we know that Allah, the Wise, has created a creation which does evolve.  Scientists, people who observe things over time, have written such changes down.  Indeed, geneticists seek to make modifications to improve our genetic structure, thus evolving us more. 

Where is this denied in the Blessed Quran?  I haven't seen it anywhere.  Science is from Allah, who is the Evolver, and the more we seek to understand, the closer we will be to Allah, The Creator.