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MOCKBA
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Bismillah Thank you for your openness, sister herjihad, If we were to be sitting and chatting in "real-life" setting, like while waiting for the turn at a Doctor's, I could only imagine you sitting with a pair of twizzers looking in your little mirror without establishing an eye-contact, plucking your eyebrows and telling us all politely off with the message above. It helps. In a way. |
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Bismillah, I like Community's comments. I became a Muslimah based on this, not knowing about the complicated shar'ah and science of hadith. And there are so many things which contradict each other, it seems like Bible school again. So ISA Allah, SWT, has given me an Islaamic heart to make decisions while praying, fasting, caring for my children, et cetera. The basic rules are clear to me, and the other things that don't make sense, I leave alone. You know, I am a real person whom Allah, SWT, lead to Islaam. People need to focus on the most important things. I was an unbeliever searching for Allah, and Allah found me and guided me. You guys can discuss details and isnaads forever. If it seems wrong, I'm not doing it! (Like plucking your eyebrows sends you to hell! Geez! Allah, SWT, is so Merciful, and that statement certainly isn't.) |
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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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There are undoubtedly more than "two things" that you need to understand the Qur'aan. And the ones that you mentioned are very important, indeed. I will start a new thread dedicated to Tafsir, under Discussions: Basics of Islam, insha Allah. Perhaps we could continue there, specifically on the subject of Tafsir, if you are interested. Edited by MOCKBA |
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You can perform your tafsir but you may also need to be well-qualified to do so. Not every surgical operation can be performed by a general therapist. To understand the koran you need two things, read it with the fear for Allah and hope for His mercy, if you have these two things you can not go wrong in whatever you do. Why would you want to perform your own tafsir without reliance on scholars especially if they are, as you say, "firmly grounded in knowledge"? I do not need the tafsir of scholars, i asked Ali Zaki to give me refference from the koran concerning these scholars or as he calls them "firmly grounded in knowledge". |
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"Whosoever interprets the Qur'an according to his own opinion has made a place for himself in the fire. " This is a hadith i consider illogical since it goes against what Ali Zaki said about the koran and which you agree with. filtering opinions on logical and illogical based on our limited-to-one-person thinking as you stated is reasonable to me, since we will be standing alone before Allah and we will be asked individually about our actions and choices, "he said, she said" are no valid excuses when it concerns the truth, the truth should be recognized and accepted by those it comes to, not because someone says it is the truth but because they recognize it as being the truth. The fear for Allah helps one recognize the truth. It is not correct to accept something just because someone claims it is the truth. There is nothing wrong with questioning but the fear of Allah is a necessity. The fear of Allah makes one just in action and thought. And to reject the truth when it comes, is like the pagans rejecting the prophet when he came with the truth. They failed to recognize the truth, and on top of that they regarded what they had as being superior(this is the arrogance of iblis) to that which the prophet came with(the truth). They did not have fear for Allah so they were destroyed and defeated. |
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You can perform your tafsir but you may also need to be well-qualified to do so. Not every surgical operation can be performed by a general therapist. Why would you want to perform your own tafsir without reliance on scholars especially if they are, as you say, "firmly grounded in knowledge"? |
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Could you give me refference from the koran on that we should not preform our own "tafsir" without reliance on those who are firmly grounded in knowledge? the verse does not say trying to create discord by trying to explain it. Even though the translation from picktall states this. Look at this translation which i find nearer to the orriginal arabic. koran chapter 3:7 He it is Who has sent down upon thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (muhkamaat, hukm=law); they are the mother(foundation) of the Book: others are allegorical(mutashabahaat, shabaha=resembles). But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, longing for discord, and longing for its explanation but no one knows its explanation except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe it; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will remember except men of understanding. |
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Community, Scholastic opinion and conclusions does not stop you from understanding verses in your own way or relating them to your own environment and situation. Nobody is saying that "this verse means this and this because the sheikh 200 years ago had said so". However, as brother Ali Zaki has pointed out, there are some basic and fundamental principles which are important... likewise in a scientific approach. Can you give me an example of what you consider an illogical hadith or hadith that is inapplicable to modern times (preferrably from Bukhari or Muslim)? As I mentioned previously, you are conveniently picking some yet rejecting all, even though they have been very much carefully compiled by one person. If we filtered opinions on logical and illogical based on our limited-to-one-person thinking capacity we wouldn't be puting ourselves far from the arrogance and ignorance of Iblis. Edited by MOCKBA |
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