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haris30432
Senior Member Male Joined: 23 January 2010 Location: India Status: Offline Points: 145 |
Posted: 31 January 2010 at 11:28pm |
Peace, I apologize if im ignoring the original questioner of the discussion in this post.However, i wish to clear something with the sisters and brothers in this forum.First and foremost, i would like to start by saying that im not against Hadith and Sunnah.Its just that my H&S are a little different than yours. My Hadith is the Quran and my Sunnah is Allah's Sunnah(what he teaches us i mean). In the above post one sister has put out some interesting points in support of her understanding that Quran without the Hadith is incomplete.The salat is not detailed.The Zakat is not detailed.The Hajj is not detailed etc etc.Indirectly, they tell you that the Quran is incomplete. God is either bluffing or when God says its complete there is a hidden meaning which only a scholar can decode.
[6:38] All the creatures on earth, and all the birds that fly with wings, are communities like you. We did not leave anything out of this book.** To their Lord, all these creatures will be summoned. [30:58] Thus, we have cited for the people in this Quran all kinds of examples. Yet, no matter what kind of proof you present to the disbelievers, they say, "You are falsifiers." This is the truth, Sunna and Hadith are the second source of Islam. As they are the words of the prophet, peace be upon him, who never says false and who is all of his words are inspiration form Allah, the Greatest. The above statement is totally against the Quran.Please examine the below verse.
[6:114] Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?* Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.
Prophet Muhammed only taught and lived according to the Quran and nothing else.The claim that Muhammad was infalliable and that all he did and said was an inspiration is wrong.This elevates him from being a normal human being to a Super man.The verses below prove that Muhammed indeed was nothing more than a normal human being who received the scripture and was blessed with prophethood just like all others before him.
[3:144] Muhammad was no more than a messenger like the messengers before him. Should he die or get killed, would you turn back on your heels? Anyone who turns back on his heels, does not hurt GOD in the least. GOD rewards those who are appreciative.
[18:110] Say, "I am no more than a human like you, being inspired that your god is one god. Those who hope to meet their Lord shall work righteousness, and never worship any other god beside his Lord." [7:188] Say, "I have no power to benefit myself, or harm myself. Only what GOD wills happens to me. If I knew the future, I would have increased my wealth, and no harm would have afflicted me. I am no more than a warner, and a bearer of good news for those who believe." MUHAMMAD WAS NOT INFALLIABLE.
The below verse clearly points out that Muhammad was not infalliable.
[66:1] O you prophet, why do you prohibit what GOD has made lawful for you, just to please your wives? GOD is Forgiver, Merciful.**66:1 Mohammedans around the world believe that Muhammad was infallible. This verse teaches us that he was indeed a fallible human being (18:110, 33:37, 40:66, 80:1). |
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Full of Hopes
Senior Member Female Joined: 06 August 2009 Status: Offline Points: 855 |
Posted: 31 January 2010 at 11:14am |
Edited by Full of Hopes - 31 January 2010 at 11:16am |
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And whoever seeks a religion other than Isl�m, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers(3:85)
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Full of Hopes
Senior Member Female Joined: 06 August 2009 Status: Offline Points: 855 |
Posted: 31 January 2010 at 10:58am |
Edited by Full of Hopes - 31 January 2010 at 11:17am |
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And whoever seeks a religion other than Isl�m, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers(3:85)
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Full of Hopes
Senior Member Female Joined: 06 August 2009 Status: Offline Points: 855 |
Posted: 31 January 2010 at 10:32am |
Dear brother as for you stopping praying. I do not agree. Because this prayer is the way that Allah protects you from Satan, devils and any kind of harm. If you leave your weapon then you are not covered and the Shyatn will add more to your doubts and be easier for him to mislead you. You need to be back praying and making so much duaa even if you have those doubts,, Allah will help you more to answer them and by the time they will stop and Shyatn will give up and leave you. I can see you are a good Muslim in the right place, and that is why Satan is working hard with you. HOW can you defeat him without praying? I have this nice story for you: A teacher wanted to explain to his student how the Satan do with us. So he said: my dear, imagine you saw a very beautiful garden, but when you wanted to inter, there was a big dog. He wanted to stop you from entering, what do you do? He said I throw a stone at him. He said but he will be back. He said I throw another stone. He said but he will be back again and again and again. So the student was confused and was quiet looking at the teacher. The teacher said: so easy. call for his owner and tell him to stop the dog from bothering you. So your prayer is your calls for Allah the owner, to stop those doubts and feeling in your heart about Islam. May Allah YA HAY YA GAIOOM, Guides you and me into the TRUTH and the way of the winners and keep us away from the HELL FIRE. Edited by Full of Hopes - 31 January 2010 at 11:28am |
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And whoever seeks a religion other than Isl�m, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers(3:85)
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haris30432
Senior Member Male Joined: 23 January 2010 Location: India Status: Offline Points: 145 |
Posted: 31 January 2010 at 3:56am |
Peace Uri, The below is for your kind reference.
Polygamy was a way of life until the Quran was revealed 1400 years ago. When the earth was young and under-populated, polygamy was one way of populating it and bringing in the human beings needed to carry out God's plan. By the time the Quran was revealed, the world had been sufficiently populated, and the Quran put down the first limitations against polygamy. Polygamy is permitted in the Quran, but under strictly observed circumstances. Any abuse of this divine permission incurs severe retribution. Thus, although polygamy is permitted by God, it behooves us to examine our circumstances carefully before saying that a particular polygamous relationship is permissible. Our perfect example here is the prophet Muhammad. He was married to one wife, Khadijah, until she died. He had all his children, except one, from Khadijah. Thus, she and her children enjoyed the Prophet's full attention for as long as she was married to him; twenty-five years. For all practical purposes, Muhammad had one wife - from the age of 25 to 50. During the remaining 13 years of his life, he married the aged widows of his friends who left many children. The children needed a complete home, with a fatherly figure, and the Prophet provided that. Providing a fatherly figure for orphans is the only specific circumstance in support of polygamy mentioned in the Quran (4:3). Other than marrying widowed mothers of orphans, there were three political marriages in the Prophet's life. His close friends Abu Bakr and Omar insisted that he marry their daughters, Aisha and Hafsah, to establish traditional family ties among them. The third marriage was to Maria the Egyptian; she was given to him as a political gesture of friendship from the ruler of Egypt. This perfect example tells us that a man must give his full attention and loyalty in marriage to his wife and children in order to raise a happy and wholesome family. The Quran emphasizes the limitations against polygamy in very strong words: "If you fear lest you may not be perfectly equitable in treating more than one wife, then you shall be content with one." (4:3) "You cannot be equitable in a polygamous relationship, no matter how hard you try." (4:129) The Quranic limitations against polygamy point out the possibility of abusing God's law. Therefore, unless we are absolutely sure that God's law will not be abused, we had better resist our lust and stay away from polygamy. If the circumstances do not dictate polygamy, we had better give our full attention to one wife and one set of children. The children's psychological and social well-being, especially in countries where polygamy is prohibited, almost invariably dictate monogamy. A few basic criteria must be observed in contemplating polygamy: 1. It must alleviate pain and suffering and not cause any pain or suffering. 2. If you have a young family, it is almost certain that polygamy is an abuse. 3. Polygamy to substitute a younger wife is an abuse of God's law (4:19). |
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haris30432
Senior Member Male Joined: 23 January 2010 Location: India Status: Offline Points: 145 |
Posted: 31 January 2010 at 3:19am |
Peace Uri,
First of all i welcome you to Islam.May GOD guide u and all of us to the truth.It is really amazing and nice to see your doubts about Islam and i applaud ur courage to question the beliefs in Islam.God has certainly chosen you to be guided.Praise be to him Alone.I perfectly understand your confusions regarding certain things and i find it not surprising at all that you stopped praying becoz of them.It is better to understand and clear things up rather than following a faith blindly.Islam like u mentioned is not a blind faith.God does not want people to have doubts and follow it blindly without reasoning .And this can be seen throughout the Quran.
[3:60] This is the truth from your Lord; do not harbor any doubts. God asks us to not just read the Quran but "study" the Quran.Study involves critical analysis.And its perfectly alright to do so.
I see many who wrote Quran cannot be studied without Hadith and that it is not detailed. This is totally against God's repeated assertions in the Quran that it is easy to learn,perfect,complete and fully detailed.
[6:114] Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?* Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.
[54:17] We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to learn? [54:22] We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to learn? [54:32] We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to learn? [54:40] We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to learn? [7:185] Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all the things GOD has created? Does it ever occur to them that the end of their life may be near? Which Hadith, beside this, do they believe in? [12:111] In their history, there is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. This is not fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe. [31:6] Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless Hadith, and thus divert others from the path of GOD without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution. [34:53] They have rejected it in the past; they have decided instead to uphold conjecture and guesswork.* [39:23] GOD has revealed herein the best Hadith; a book that is consistent, and points out both ways (to Heaven and Hell). The skins of those who reverence their Lord cringe therefrom, then their skins and their hearts soften up for GOD's message. Such is GOD's guidance; He bestows it upon whomever He wills. As for those sent astray by GOD, nothing can guide them.
[39:29] GOD cites the example of a man who deals with disputing partners (Hadith), compared to a man who deals with only one consistent source (Quran). Are they the same? Praise be to GOD; most of them do not know.
Now as far as your question regarding the Prophet kicking a man is concerned,i have to say that this is nothing but lies attributed to the prophet.The prophet was blessed with a great moral character.
(68:4] You are blessed with a great moral character. The above claims that the Prophet did not kick the man hardly but softly seems to be a desperate attempt to justify the blasphemous Hadith.The truth is that this is nothing but a lie.I advise you to focus on the Quran alone as sources other than the perfect Quran will confuse you.This is not my opinion but as u can see from the above verses, it is a direct commandment from your LORD.The ones who say that Quran isnt sufficient are nothing but disbelievers of the Quran.There is no middle position.You either believe that the Quran is complete and fully detailed as mentioned in the Quran or you dont.There is no ifs or buts.The ones with ifs or buts harbour doubts in their minds and dont trust their GOD.
Now with regards to your issue of Salat in a cold place like urs all i can suggest is look into the Quran.
[5:6] O you who believe, when you observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), you shall: (1) wash your faces, (2) wash your arms to the elbows, (3) wipe your heads, and (4) wash your feet to the ankles. If you were unclean due to sexual orgasm, you shall bathe. If you are ill, or traveling, or had any digestive excretion (urinary, fecal, or gas), or had (sexual) contact with the women, and you cannot find water, you shall observe the dry ablution (Tayammum) by touching clean dry soil, then rubbing your faces and hands. GOD does not wish to make the religion difficult for you; He wishes to cleanse you and to perfect His blessing upon you, that you may be appreciative.
I would like to bring to your attention that God has to be always our number one priority.Performing the contact prayers is a very important duty.Therefore,when it comes to our salats we set aside everything else or rearrange our lives so that there is no probs in performing the salats.We have to preplan things as far as possible so that we dont miss our prayers.Im sure in your town there are restaurants or shops with washrooms and also may be public toilets that you can use to do your ablution even if you are travelling.During these times,by God's mercy finding water is not much of an issue i guess.I dont know how practical it is in cold countries but if ur travel is preplanned you may also try somehow carrying some water with you.The bottom line is that we do all possible and strive to worship GOD.And when u strive and have the intentions to do so,believe me GOD will never put you in a situation where worshipping him becomes a hassle in anyway.
Finally remember,God has made this wonderful religion easy to practice.People make it harder with their innovations and additions,God doesnot.There is no nonsense in the Quran.It is easy to study and easy to practice in our lives. Praise be to GOD the lord of the universe.
Peace.
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seekshidayath
Senior Member Female Islam Joined: 26 March 2006 Location: India Status: Offline Points: 3357 |
Posted: 30 January 2010 at 11:07pm |
Wa'laikum Salam wa rahmatullah,
2.As for a kicking a man.. would you please read this: "Another Hadith is the one narrated by Abu Umama (May Allah be pleased with him) he said: �When the Prophet (peace be upon him) passed a man sleeping on his front in the mosque he hit him with his feet and said: wake up and seat as this is a diabolic sleep�, He (pbuh) KICKED HIM WITH HIS FEET!! so I take it wasn't like a friendly kick from your friend "hey, long time no see", don't you think? Brother, be it Qur'an or hadith, we cannot get the exact meaning and depth of the ayah until we learn arabic and understand it. One word of arabic gives different meanings and understanding, as per the context. Just recently attended a lecture and it was said - Even if you have read all the translations of Qur'an in different languages, you have n't really read and understood Qur'an untill you learn to understand arabic". What i intend to say is, when we read the hadith in arabic and understand it,we then understand the real meaning of it. |
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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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calvindamenace
Newbie Male Joined: 27 January 2010 Status: Offline Points: 27 |
Posted: 30 January 2010 at 12:54pm |
Asslamu Alaikum
1. "But I still say you need a scholar to explain to you the whole situation." Well, would anyone by any chance know a place online where a scholar would answer me? 2.As for a kicking a man.. would you please read this: "Another Hadith is the one narrated by Abu Umama (May Allah be pleased with him) he said: “When the Prophet (peace be upon him) passed a man sleeping on his front in the mosque he hit him with his feet and said: wake up and seat as this is a diabolic sleep”, He (pbuh) KICKED HIM WITH HIS FEET!! so I take it wasn't like a friendly kick from your friend "hey, long time no see", don't you think? 3."The rest of your questions about things from Shyatan, are all from unseen things, that you believed in just because we are believers. Part of our faith is that you MUST believe in the unseen knowledge." I see, well that's not what I was told. A brother that introduced me to islam reassured me that islam unlike christianity has reasoning in EVERYTHING and IT'S NOT A BLIND FAITH unlike christianity.. Let me quote from www.journeytoislam.com/Hear/Reasoning%20in%20Islam%20attracts%20me.htm "Muslims believe that Islam is a term synonymous with truth, and that under the glorious and ever-brilliant sun of Islam, by the light of reason and knowledge, truth can be obtained but in order to obtain that knowledge, and thus attain that truth, man must use his reasoning faculties.", "One of the glories of Islam is that it is founded upon reason, and that it never demands from its followers an abnegation of that important mental faculty. Unlike certain other faiths, which insist upon their votaries implicitly accepting certain dogmas without independent inquiry, but simply on the authority of "The Church", Islam courts inquiry and counsels its disciples to study, search and investigate prior to acceptation. The Holy Prophet, of ever-blessed memory, said: "Allah hath not created anything better than reason, the benefits which Allah giveth are on its account, and understanding is begotten of it.".. Well, that sure makes sence unlike of what you've said.. accepting something on faith, blindly without explanation is unacceptable to me, what if your message is wrong.. and I blindly follow you.. that just might cost me an eternity. Thanks, but no. 4."Why did he married more than the others? I just want to add my few cents. You should read the biography of the prophet peace be upon him to know that there was a reason for marring everyone of his wives. Some political reason, some social reason,, and some other reasons." Fine, explain to me what was the reason to marry Zayd's ex-wife? And here's a passage for you to read: "I drove them along until I brought them to Abu Bakr who bestowed that girl upon me as a prize. So we arrived in Medina. I had not yet disrobed her when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) met me in the street and said: “Give me that girl.” (Sahih Muslim 4345)" What was a reason to ask for that girl? 5.As for Aisha, I red what you've said. Yet in my mind, somehow, I find it difficult that relevation came exactly month later.. Seems to me that it would be enough for any woman to have a menstrual cycle.. P.S. Explanations are more then welcome. Edited by Uri S - 30 January 2010 at 2:58pm |
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