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Originally posted by TG12345 TG12345 wrote:

I believe God created humanity. I believe everything that is natural came from something else, nothing came out of nothingness. God transcends our nature, so it would make sense that Someone who is eternal and beyond our comprehension would create the natural world.

If you do not believe in God's existence, then where did life come from? Where did the natural world come from?


If God is beyond our comprehension, then saying that the natural world came from God is equivalent to saying that where the natural world came from is beyond our comprehension.

God is not an explanation for anything.  It is an admission of ignorance, and there is no shame in that; but it is also a declaration that no further explanation is required or should be sought, which is a capitulation to ignorance -- and that is shameful.


Edited by Ron Webb - 07 June 2014 at 10:14pm
Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect.
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Quote If you do not believe in God's existence, then where did life come from? Where did the natural world come from?
May I ask you where god comes from ?

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I'll try again, not knowing where the natural world started or it's origin point does not equate to knowing that it came from God. Your believing it doesn't make it so. Evidence would be a good place to start.
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I believe God created humanity. I believe everything that is natural came from something else, nothing came out of nothingness. God transcends our nature, so it would make sense that Someone who is eternal and beyond our comprehension would create the natural world.

If you do not believe in God's existence, then where did life come from? Where did the natural world come from?
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Not knowing where we came from doesn't equate to our coming from God. You should study up on the "God of the Gaps" argument and find out why it's the very definition of a logical fallacy.
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Originally posted by schmikbob schmikbob wrote:

It leads to believing things that simply make us feel better, like dealing with the fear of death and mortality. As humans we have an inborn fear of death and dying so we have created religion and God to answer those fears.

If we "created" religion and God, then who created us?
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It leads to believing things that simply make us feel better, like dealing with the fear of death and mortality. As humans we have an inborn fear of death and dying so we have created religion and God to answer those fears.
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Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:


Imagine if everything you've been taught in the mosque was wrong or even a deliberate lie."And the earth, We have made it a wide extent; how well have We then spread (it) out." (51:48)"Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea..." (18:86)For
a few thousand dollars you can travel around the world and see for
yourself that the earth is a sphere, not "spread out" (i.e. flat); and
that there is no "black sea" into which the sun sets.


Masha Allah! How precisely Allah talks about people like you in Quran:

Al-E-Imran 3:7 He it is Who hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture wherein are clear revelations - they are the substance of the Book - and others (which are) allegorical. But those in whose hearts is doubt pursue, forsooth, that which is allegorical seeking (to cause) dissension by seeking to explain it. None knoweth its explanation save Allah. And those who are of sound instruction say: We believe therein; the whole is from our Lord; but only men of understanding really heed.

51:48 refers to the wide area of earth. "spread out" means extending in surface area. There is no mention of any shape here. An area could be spread in any shape - I don't know where you get the idea of "flat".


18:86 refers to a specific incident from the episode of Dhu'l-Qarneyn and to indicate a specific location where he observes the sunset in a dark tempestuous sea - what do you see so peculiar in someone close to the seashore observing the sunset in a dark tempestuous sea?
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